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Old Sep 25, 2017, 12:53 pm
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Upgrade with Miles. Why is A-class not= A-class?

...so I'd like to upgrade a paid business class flight to first with miles.
This books into A-class, or at least it would.

It's a simple return ticket, non-stop LX flight in both directions, booked via Swiss.com

There is A-class availability according to Expertflyer.
That may not prove much, but I can even book a flight on swiss.com and that books into A for the same leg.

Still, when I called Swiss, they put me on waiting list for "A" - and that has not moved for several days now.
The agent was very friendly, but the argument would not go further than "computer says no".

Why?
Is there also a segmentation into more than one A (sub-)class for the same origin/destination to make things generally a bit more complicated?
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Old Sep 25, 2017, 1:15 pm
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Long story short: Yes, there are different 'A' availabilities

similar to different award availability on LH for M&M vs PPB vs. partners
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Old Sep 25, 2017, 2:05 pm
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Thanks a lot, daumueller. ^

I thought that the availability was just generated based on Origin-Destination and on the source of the request.

UA: "Can-I get...?"
LH: "Don't even think about it"

But you must be right. It's obviously more sophisticated than this.
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Old Sep 26, 2017, 9:11 am
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Originally Posted by LoungeLizzard
Thanks a lot, daumueller. ^

I thought that the availability was just generated based on Origin-Destination and on the source of the request.

UA: "Can-I get...?"
LH: "Don't even think about it"

But you must be right. It's obviously more sophisticated than this.
you can even get different availability for a new vs an existing booking...
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Old Sep 27, 2017, 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by LoungeLizzard
...so I'd like to upgrade a paid business class flight to first with miles.
This books into A-class, or at least it would.
For upgrade with miles to First, there needs to be availability in O.
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Old Sep 27, 2017, 1:15 pm
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I don't think so.

At least all my previous upgrades booked into A, and the current one is waitlisted in A.
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Old Sep 28, 2017, 1:27 pm
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From my experience: I noticed that upgrading an existing J booking to F is easier to get by using e-vouchers than burning miles.
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Old Sep 28, 2017, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by LoungeLizzard
At least all my previous upgrades booked into A, and the current one is waitlisted in A.
+1
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Old Sep 29, 2017, 12:48 am
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Originally Posted by drivechip
For upgrade with miles to First, there needs to be availability in O.
Wrong.
LX Upgrades go to A.
LX Awards go to O.

With LH, both go to O.
totti and drivechip like this.
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Old Oct 1, 2017, 2:27 am
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Does that mean you get A miles on LX for a J booking upgraded with miles?
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Old Oct 1, 2017, 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by tgj1974
Does that mean you get A miles on LX for a J booking upgraded with miles?
nope
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Old Oct 1, 2017, 7:40 am
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Originally Posted by tgj1974
Does that mean you get A miles on LX for a J booking upgraded with miles?
Surprisingly LX computer system is smart enough to figure out weather you are booked in A as an upgrade or a revenue booking
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Old Oct 2, 2017, 7:41 am
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From my experience A6 or better will give you an instant confirmed upgrade.
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Old Oct 2, 2017, 10:57 am
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When I wanted to upgrade from P with eVouchers I chose a flight which was F8A8 and was able to upgrade online straightaway.
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Old Oct 2, 2017, 11:42 am
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upgrade availability =/= award availability =/= A availability

I find LX quite generous in upgrade/awards to First Class though, and I don't see difference between miles or evouchers.
I've successfully upgraded 'difficult' sectors such as LAX and SFO in the past 2 months with both.
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