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warrenw Sep 17, 18 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by ermis177 (Post 30213782)
So minimum is 2,400GBP for a return upgrade?! You could buy a business class return with so many airlines around half of that price.


Originally Posted by mmff (Post 30214031)
Those figures are for upgrades to F.

Right, already got a great fare for RT business so this is to upgrade to F. I bid just over the lowest just to see if I get it, otherwise I'm in the throne seat which is fine.

chris63 Sep 18, 18 2:05 am


Originally Posted by ermis177 (Post 30213782)
So minimum is 2,400GBP for a return upgrade?! You could buy a business class return with so many airlines around half of that price.

You can currently buy a F ( A ) return CDG-ZRH-GIG for that price, see premium fares forum 😊

Vixit Nov 12, 18 11:25 pm

Does Plusgrade consider the original booking class when setting the minimum bid?

I had a business D fare ticket for which the minimum upgrade amount (with ”poor chance”!) was the same amount as the fare difference between D and A when I initially booked. I wouldn’t consider that an ”upgrade bargain”.

If the minimum bid is set to the same absolute amount also when the initial fare is P or Z, then it would make some sense to bid, but otherwise I don’t see the point of bidding an amount that makes the total expense the same as having booked A up front.

Furthermore, would Plusgrade look at the total airline value (eg Z + 1000 euros wins over P + 1100 euros) or only at the Plusgrade bid amount on its own...?

airoli Nov 13, 18 12:51 am


Originally Posted by Vixit (Post 30423885)
Does Plusgrade consider the original booking class when setting the minimum bid?

Yes and more specifically, segment yield.

Furthermore, would Plusgrade look at the total airline value (eg Z + 1000 euros wins over P + 1100 euros)
Yes but as mentioned, more on an effective segment yield rather than a booking class basis.

warrenw Nov 14, 18 5:56 am

My bid has been accepted - just over the minimum bid by about 100GBP. Score!

ussvalor Nov 20, 18 9:23 am

Are "LOW" Economy fares eligible for upgrades to Business Class?

watewate Dec 8, 18 4:10 pm

I bid CHF510 on GVA to JFK on a Saturday departure in November. That was the absolute lowest allowed amount. Upgrade cleared about 3 days before the flight. IIRC, 6 seats remained unspoken for and went empty on the flight.

My base fare was less than CHF 300 R/T on a K (or was it T?) fare (on sale). So I essentially went, on a one-way basis, CHF 150 with zero miles in economy to paying CHF 660 for a business class seat with ~3,800 miles posted to my *G account as per P fare. This counts as a status mile in my program, to boot.

All in all, a win-win for me and LX given the loads.


Return leg JFK-GVA was rejected at CHF 470.

jscivi Dec 26, 18 8:19 am

Status miles when bidding
 
Hello,
Swiss is offering the possibility to bid for an upgrade to business from Economy for a BOS-ZRH flight (starting at 550 CHF).
If I win the bid and upgrade, will I receive Status Miles as if I had bought a Business Class ticket? More particularly, what booking class will I be in? Does it depend on how much I bid?

Thank you and Merry Christmas!

Dlougach Dec 26, 18 8:54 am

Judging from my experience with this (3 years ago) your ticket will be reissued in P class and you will earn award/status miles corresponding to P class.

kai.lileboo Dec 29, 18 9:27 am

I don't think LX will reissue the ticket. But if your bid is accepted, they will just revalidate with the new cabin class (electronic sticker where the original ticket number stays the same.) It can be P or Z or even O, Swiss does not have the same system as LH and they often do things in their own way.
They are offering paying upgrades as the flight is probably full and they prefer doing upgrades for CHF iso for free!
The miles will be credited for the total amount spent for the ticket (original fare + YQ + what you pay for an upgrade. I would never make a bid for an upgrade myself. It is just another "trick" to get more money for already overbooked flights! But good luck!
Before I bid, if I were you, I would check the total fare K + P which is sometimes a good option if the flight is around 6 hours long and being in economy is not so bad. Hope I could answer your doubts. Xmas

AviationAddict Feb 5, 19 3:03 am

I bought my ticket via Lufthansa website, and when I cannot see any upgrade options under "Manage My Booking". Is it true that I cannot upgrade the booking with money if I do not book visa Swiss.com? Thanks in advance.

CMK10 Feb 21, 19 12:03 pm

I got an email today for a EWR-ZRH-OSL-ZRH-EWR ticket I have for March. The offer was only for EWR-ZRH and the minimum I could bid was 780 CHF. I passed, that's too much for what I consider a fairly mediocre business class product.

TheAirman May 14, 19 1:59 am

Hi there I am booked on a LX flight North America East Coast to ZRH in P class. Would it be possible to place a bid for an upgrade to First or is "dirt cheap P-class" excluded ?

Viennafly May 14, 19 6:50 am


Originally Posted by TheAirman (Post 31099169)
Hi there I am booked on a LX flight North America East Coast to ZRH in P class. Would it be possible to place a bid for an upgrade to First or is "dirt cheap P-class" excluded ?

see:
https://www.swiss.com/ch/EN/book/con...ain-conditions

6. SWISS can exclude low booking classes in the Business class compartment from an Offer (e.g. P-booking class).

Was never able to bid or received a fixed amount offer on a P-fare. On Z-fare, I sometimes received these offers. Never received an attractive offer, for NA East Coast to ZRH minimum was at least 1500$ afaik.

TheAirman May 14, 19 7:59 am


Originally Posted by Viennafly (Post 31099709)
6. SWISS can exclude low booking classes in the Business class compartment from an Offer (e.g. P-booking class).

Argh :mad:
But does "can exclude" mean they always do or there is a very slime chance ? At least currently I can't place a bid.

MacMyDay Jun 2, 19 1:11 am

https://www.swiss.com/ch/en/book/swi...pgrade-bargain it mentions

A fixed bid is possible for flights from and to Japan.
I cannot seem to find a data point for what to expect from J to F and whether it's just going to be the difference between the original tickets or a "realistic" figure. Does anyone have any experience? We are flying to NRT on the 19th June

Vixit Jun 3, 19 3:26 am


Originally Posted by Dlougach (Post 30575083)
Judging from my experience with this (3 years ago) your ticket will be reissued in P class and you will earn award/status miles corresponding to P class.

Reading the Bid Upgrade FAQ page on Swiss website this morning, it says that Award miles will be credited to the higher booking class, but Status miles will not. This makes it less interesting to me.

I believe that on Lufthansa both categories of miles are adjusted upwards.

ced_lx Jun 3, 19 6:53 am


Originally Posted by MacMyDay (Post 31161886)
https://www.swiss.com/ch/en/book/swi...pgrade-bargain it mentions


I cannot seem to find a data point for what to expect from J to F and whether it's just going to be the difference between the original tickets or a "realistic" figure. Does anyone have any experience? We are flying to NRT on the 19th June

Last time I flew in 2018, the bid upgrade would not let me select a price, it was a set amount (I forget the amount) so I think that's what they mean. If a fixed bid is possible you would see it on your profile booking. This was J to F in my case. I forget the actual amount but it wasn't to far off the actual fare difference. something like 2900 CAD.

MacMyDay Jun 3, 19 11:34 pm


Originally Posted by ced_lx (Post 31165470)
Last time I flew in 2018, the bid upgrade would not let me select a price, it was a set amount (I forget the amount) so I think that's what they mean. If a fixed bid is possible you would see it on your profile booking. This was J to F in my case. I forget the actual amount but it wasn't to far off the actual fare difference. something like 2900 CAD.

Thank you. Exactly what I was looking for and suspected.

testycal Jun 9, 19 12:47 pm

Purchased economy ticket TLV Tokyo El Al codeshare to Zur then Swiss to Tokyo. Online upgrade price shown as $900 USD each way Zur to Tokyo in addition to ticket price paid $647 USD return so grand total around 2447. New ticket same day shows $2000 business class ticket for Tlv to Tokyo. Post purchase upgrade more expensive or is there another way to navigate a paid upgrade? Tickets purchased 2 weeks ago but I do not recall what business class price was at that time.

ermis177 Jun 9, 19 4:43 pm

Many airlines ( including LH group) do not offer attractive upgrades. Only Y to PE is usually good value. Most of the others are mostly more expensive than buying a C return ticket. Recently i was quoted about 2.000£ to upgrade from PE to C with Air Canada!

phoxay Jul 17, 19 9:54 pm

I'm not sure how much I should put in the bid, I added a minimum like 440 CHF for Narita to Zurich long haul flight.
how likely it will be confirmed to get a upgrade from T class to P class?
I guess T class is eco flex?

Nick Art Jul 19, 19 4:06 am

I wasn't aware you could bid as low as 440 CHF, I alwawys thought the minimum was around 800 CHF.
But Booking class doesn't tell you if you're flex or not, most booking classes have the sub option of light, classic and flex, with the higher ones only offering classic or only flex. T is at the very low end of the booking classes anyway so with a bid of 440 CHF on a premium heavy route like NRT I don't see many chances.
It would help if you could include the actual number you bid and date of the flight.

bennyg2 Jul 24, 19 1:29 pm

I was just quoted $2,400 CAD per person at the gate by a Swiss Agent to go from C to F.

We’ll see what they say on the plane.

YUL to ZRH

testycal Aug 6, 19 8:54 am

When playing the bid game as swiss holds all the cards ie you commit to their price and wait and can be rejected or accepted based on its terms...any point in waiting to place a bid until close to departure? If flight will fill closer to departure there seems to be little point to committing to purchase IF accepted. Thoughts?

matador82 Sep 5, 19 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by testycal (Post 31385379)
When playing the bid game as swiss holds all the cards ie you commit to their price and wait and can be rejected or accepted based on its terms...any point in waiting to place a bid until close to departure? If flight will fill closer to departure there seems to be little point to committing to purchase IF accepted. Thoughts?

Has anyone upgraded during check-in? Are the prices usually similar to the bidding prices?

Will be flying from LAX - ZRH and we are interested on upgrading but not sure if prices will drop as the date gets closer

Concerto Sep 5, 19 2:47 pm

I used to be offered an upgrade during the booking process for European flights. But that has not been offered for one single flight research I have made, SWISS Choice has a number of other things but no more an upgrade offer. So what has happened to those upgrades? I would have thought that now would be the time to be pushing them, now that business class is so devalued and pointless (you get barely any miles, the catering is awful, the seat....).

I'm not saying I would have booked one of them, I was just looking out of curiosity! Sample routes have been GVA-NCE and ZRH-DUS.

Vixit Sep 5, 19 3:56 pm


Originally Posted by Concerto (Post 31494740)
I used to be offered an upgrade during the booking process for European flights. But that has not been offered for one single flight research I have made, SWISS Choice has a number of other things but no more an upgrade offer. So what has happened to those upgrades? I would have thought that now would be the time to be pushing them, now that business class is so devalued and pointless (you get barely any miles, the catering is awful, the seat....).

I'm not saying I would have booked one of them, I was just looking out of curiosity! Sample routes have been GVA-NCE and ZRH-DUS.

I was just lurking the other day and the website suggested upgrades at EUR 73 per direction on BRU-ZRH-ARN and back.

Concerto Sep 6, 19 1:31 am

Glad to hear that this possibility still exists! It must be on very select routes, maybe targeting certain markets such as Scandinavia or Belgium. The price is good too, despite the heavily degraded product.

ravisurdhar Oct 12, 19 9:40 am

Curious if anyone has any data on recent successful bids from economy to biz from ZRH to US West Coast (specifically SFO)? Would I expect this to be in the ~$400 range or the ~$800+ range?

Also, I thought I saw an earlier post stating that if you paid for advance seat selection in Y, then bid for J and won, the cost of your seat selection would be refunded. However, that seems to no longer be the case:

Originally Posted by https://www.swiss.com/ch/EN/book/conditions/swiss-upgrade-bargain-conditions
14. If you paid for your seat reservation (Advance Seat Reservation) for an originally purchased SWISS flight according to Article 5.4.1 of the Conditions of Carriage and your Offer was accepted, the amount paid for the seat reservation will not be refunded.


goliath Oct 12, 19 10:05 am


Originally Posted by ravisurdhar (Post 31620663)
Curious if anyone has any data on recent successful bids from economy to biz from ZRH to US West Coast (specifically SFO)? Would I expect this to be in the ~$400 range or the ~$800+ range?

More likely even higher than that. The standard price for upgrades on board for LAX/SFO is CHF 1200...1500 (or was a while ago), depending on your Y booking class.

ravisurdhar Oct 12, 19 7:03 pm


Originally Posted by goliath (Post 31620725)
More likely even higher than that. The standard price for upgrades on board for LAX/SFO is CHF 1200...1500 (or was a while ago), depending on your Y booking class.

Ouch. Sounds like I'll just buy an exit row seat for $100. Thanks for the info!

cesco.g Nov 18, 19 11:26 pm


Originally Posted by goliath (Post 31620725)
More likely even higher than that. The standard price for upgrades on board for LAX/SFO is CHF 1200...1500 (or was a while ago), depending on your Y booking class.

Indeed. A friend of mine is bidding $ 1400 Y>C for LX 41 (LAX-ZRH) this THU. Does not look good: Flight was down to J1C1 yesterday.

Update: Upgrade came thru at T-36hrs; flight now shows F2, J2, C2.

testycal Dec 11, 19 4:58 am

Bid accepted at $870 for Zurich to Narita and return Nov 28 and Dec 15 2019 from economy to business on A340. FYI.

Gioventu Dec 11, 19 6:39 am


Originally Posted by testycal (Post 31828404)
Bid accepted at $870 for Zurich to Narita and return Nov 28 and Dec 15 2019 from economy to business on A340. FYI.

I guess one-way for $870 right?!

testycal Dec 11, 19 7:11 am


Originally Posted by Gioventu (Post 31828649)
I guess one-way for $870 right?!

Yes....$870 each way....but a 12 to 13 hour trip...makes it more reasonable together with the inexpensive economy fair upgraded from

Concerto Dec 12, 19 3:16 am

I'm not seeing these offers any for European flight bookings. This does not bode well for the new qualifying points system, because I was hoping SWISS could be a cheap source of business fares. Although I book SWISS rarely these days, I do check quite often and make test/dummy bookings.

verve Dec 18, 19 7:17 am

I believe their upgrade scheme needs some recalibration. Getting quoted 800 CHF per way for ZRH-HRG or 1320 CHF for ZRH-TLV is just insane and significantly higher then directly booking business.

testycal Dec 18, 19 9:37 am

870 USD each way Zurich Tokyo and return ...sorry
 

Originally Posted by verve (Post 31852437)
I believe their upgrade scheme needs some recalibration. Getting quoted 800 CHF per way for ZRH-HRG or 1320 CHF for ZRH-TLV is just insane and significantly higher then directly booking business.

One thing to remember ... if you take full baggage allowance on outbound on bid and do not receive business class on inbound....are you stuck paying for extra baggage charges.....a moot point perhaps but something to keep in mind as I suspect the answer is yes

royal757 Jan 13, 20 10:12 pm


Originally Posted by watewate (Post 30513838)

I bid CHF510 on GVA to JFK on a Saturday departure in November. That was the absolute lowest allowed amount. Upgrade cleared about 3 days before the flight. IIRC, 6 seats remained unspoken for and went empty on the flight.

My base fare was less than CHF 300 R/T on a K (or was it T?) fare (on sale). So I essentially went, on a one-way basis, CHF 150 with zero miles in economy to paying CHF 660 for a business class seat with ~3,800 miles posted to my *G account as per P fare. This counts as a status mile in my program, to boot.

All in all, a win-win for me and LX given the loads.


Return leg JFK-GVA was rejected at CHF 470.


I am in a similar situation, currently booked in K for a JFK-ZRH-NCE and offered 690 CHF for the JFK-ZRH portion. I credit all my miles to Aeroplan (Air Canada) and K class earns 0 (miles and status miles). If my bid is succesful do you guys know if the ticket is rebooked in P and my miles awarded will be based on K or P? Any help is much appreciated thanks. side note, I am *G


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