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wouter Aug 4, 16 6:44 am

It is now visable in my booking. Bids start at 2590 Euro's per person for segment Zurich - Singapore.....

irishguy28 Aug 4, 16 7:55 am


Originally Posted by NA-Flyer (Post 26909315)
The F upgrade bid program is an attempt by LX to boost revenue in F cabin, which is starting to show lack of high level of occupation especially on North America flights ;)

Then why didn't they allow me to bid up to F on my recent North American flights! I did check and the button was not there.

(Probably because I paid so little for these P class flights anyway!! Or maybe P is excluded from bidding)

Giamasetti Aug 11, 16 12:36 pm

I will fly Swiss from GRU to ZRH in few weeks, early september.
Booked Business Z, I can see I am allowed to bid for 'Swiss Upgrade Bargain' to SWISS First.

Bids start at 1990 Euro's (low chance), 2670 (equal chance), 3410 (good chance), 4170 (optimal chance), 5170 (excellent chance) to 5970.

No... I'll not bid :)

mbr Aug 18, 16 6:32 am

I wonder whether anyone would be stupid enough to bid for such prices. Even the lowest bid's are usually almost in the range of a fare difference, at least if the Biz ticket you buy was not a P fare.

goliath Aug 18, 16 8:36 am


Originally Posted by irishguy28 (Post 27014176)
Probably because I paid so little for these P class flights anyway!! Or maybe P is excluded from bidding


Originally Posted by mbr (Post 27082344)
I wonder whether anyone would be stupid enough to bid for such prices. Even the lowest bid's are usually almost in the range of a fare difference, at least if the Biz ticket you buy was not a P fare.

Somebody at Vielfliegertreff recently posted that they were told by LX in writing that P was indeed excluded.

Fitstylist5 Sep 16, 16 4:15 am

Ok,so I originally purchased a discounted ORD-ZRH economy fare ($740, RT) for a flight next week. The email to bid came in a few days ago. My bid of 940CHF was in the "poor" chance of upgrade category. That said, I was notified less than 12 hours after bidding that I was upgraded. Sure beats the $3600 change of date difference for that segment.

Wtravel Sep 16, 16 11:34 am


Originally Posted by goliath (Post 27082943)
Somebody at Vielfliegertreff recently posted that they were told by LX in writing that P was indeed excluded.


I was also told by the LX call center agent just a few days ago that P was indeed excluded. Would be easier if they went and put that reasonably accessible small print.

Yahtzee Mar 28, 17 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by wanderer35 (Post 26310507)
A little bidding strategy.
A lot of people submit the minimum bid, just as you and your co-conspirators did.
If you submit a bid with the smallest possible delta (the size of which is usually determined by the slider) above the minimum you are ahead of, probably, most of the bidders. I do not think the selection software is too sophisticated, all it knows that you bid more than the others.
The amount of the minimum bid is quite high, about $855. If I recall correctly the minimum bid was definitely less than $500 on Austrian (JFK-VIE) when I successfully bid a couple of years ago, or so.
Ooops, I just noticed that the min bid of 850 was for a flight to Brazil. For that route it is probably a reasonable amount.

I'm curious if experiences have evolved on this. I have an upcoming flight to ZRH and the minimum bid to go from coach to business is $705. The minimum "fair" chance of success bid is about $1200 (which I've gone for).

Based on expertflyer, the business class cabin has slowly been adding passengers such that now it is about 1/2 full (3.5 weeks out).

I think that explains why the bid range hasn't changed, but does it ever change? Does the minimum fair chance bid ever fall as departure nears? Or do they just peg them and rest?

Anyone have success on "fair" bids going through?

br2k Mar 28, 17 8:41 pm

If I booked an "extra legroom seat" and then bid for an upgrade and win - would they refund the extra legroom fee? (I had success with that on Finnair and Sas in the past, but they had explicit rules so stating).

mmff Mar 29, 17 1:11 am


Originally Posted by br2k (Post 28099893)
If I booked an "extra legroom seat" and then bid for an upgrade and win - would they refund the extra legroom fee?

Yes.

br2k Mar 29, 17 10:02 am

Thanks :)

Nic33 Mar 29, 17 11:44 am


Originally Posted by Yahtzee (Post 28098427)
I'm curious if experiences have evolved on this. I have an upcoming flight to ZRH and the minimum bid to go from coach to business is $705. The minimum "fair" chance of success bid is about $1200 (which I've gone for).

Based on expertflyer, the business class cabin has slowly been adding passengers such that now it is about 1/2 full (3.5 weeks out).



I generally bid much lower, close to the minimum bid amount, and am generally successful. One of the most important criteria is of course on the number of available seats in C.

br2k Mar 29, 17 4:30 pm


Originally Posted by br2k (Post 28099893)
If I booked an "extra legroom seat" and then bid for an upgrade and win - would they refund the extra legroom fee? (I had success with that on Finnair and Sas in the past, but they had explicit rules so stating).

Actually, I contacted Swiss and here is what they replied:

Thank you for your email with regards to your query.

Have reviewed your query and would like to inform you that the extra legroom seat you have purchased, will be refunded back to you should your bid upgrade be confirmed on the flight from Zurich to Shanghai.

We Hope this email clarifies and we remain available should you need further clarifications.
Sounds like their policy is consistent with other airlines I've used.

mmff Mar 30, 17 1:29 am


Originally Posted by mmff (Post 28100616)
No.


Originally Posted by br2k (Post 28104009)
Sounds like their policy is consistent with other airlines I've used.

I am sorry. It seems I was completely in the wrong on this one. I'm redacting my previous comment to avoid misleading anyone.

Vishalca Mar 31, 17 4:22 am

Having scoured this thread, I still don't have a clear answer regarding who gets emails to upgrade and who doesn't. Flying ZRH to YUL in two days, haven't received an email, and no option to bid for upgrade on Swiss Air website. I am in class W currently.

Anyone have any insight? Also, what I am realistically looking at for a competitive upgrade bid?

Yahtzee Apr 16, 17 7:23 am

Well, it worked. I awoke to a charge on my Amex and the bookings page reflects the upgrade (ahead of the 132 hour window by a bit). I'm happy and apparently they're happy.

Admiral Ackbar Apr 29, 17 11:15 am


Originally Posted by Vishalca (Post 28110266)
Having scoured this thread, I still don't have a clear answer regarding who gets emails to upgrade and who doesn't. Flying ZRH to YUL in two days, haven't received an email, and no option to bid for upgrade on Swiss Air website. I am in class W currently.

Anyone have any insight? Also, what I am realistically looking at for a competitive upgrade bid?

Here is a data point (albeit late), I purchased a cheap economy fare (K) for my wife for YUL-FLR via ZRH, she is travelling next week. I had the upgrade bargain option on the right hand side, put a bid a bit higher than weak chance. She just got confirmed in Business for the outbound, waiting for the inbound. Was pretty happy with the process.

legallyblond Sep 12, 17 4:32 pm


Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar (Post 28245193)
Here is a data point (albeit late), I purchased a cheap economy fare (K) for my wife for YUL-FLR via ZRH, she is travelling next week. I had the upgrade bargain option on the right hand side, put a bid a bit higher than weak chance. She just got confirmed in Business for the outbound, waiting for the inbound. Was pretty happy with the process.

Will the booking page actually say "BID" or "upgrade" or is it hidden under one of the options? My flight is in a week and am interested in what the price would be for SFO to ZRH into first from business.

LXA350 Sep 16, 17 8:34 am


Originally Posted by Viennafly (Post 26914916)
May I ask in which booking class you are booked and how many days/months in advance you could bid?

I would assume that for the lowest possible bids the Upgrade would only be granted if it looks like the flight is overbooked and likely upgrades would need to be made anyhow, especially from Business to First?

In another scenario, assuming you are traveling Economy and want to upgrade to Business and provide the lowest bid will the upgrade be granted even when it is sure that the cabin will not sell out?

criske Sep 27, 17 6:59 pm

Plusgrade on Swiss
 
Hello,

I dont't know if there is a specific thread for my question, but I did not see anything related on the first pages here, so this post can be moved to another place if does not fit here.

So, my question about plusgrade on Swiss: Is really impossible to bid for an upgrade using plusgrade ("swiss bargains") on a LX flight booked on www.swiss.com if the booking is made from Brazil, India or Japan?

I was considering to book a multy-destiny flight from GRU to Rome and then Zurich to GRU directly on Swiss web page, but while searching for Plusgrade information, to know how to bid an upgrade later, I found this information saying it would not be possible, which I think it is odd, since I can bid for upgrades on LH for flights booked from Brazil (I already did it and was sucessful) and even with other Star Alliance airlines such as TAP.

I would appreciate your thoughts!

Cris

UAPremExecflyer Sep 28, 17 10:27 am

Right on the first page of the forum.
Not sure how you missed it? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/swiss...e-upgrade.html

criske Sep 28, 17 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by UAPremExecflyer (Post 28869539)
Right on the first page of the forum.
Not sure how you missed it? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/swiss...e-upgrade.html

Hello,

Perhaps I had missed it, because I first posted on LH (Miles & More) forum and then it was removed to Swiss forum, which I had not even knew!:(

I had read most of the above thread. It seems to be impossible to bid an upgrade when booking on swiss.com from Brasil and India.

I also checked it on http://www.swiss.com/gb/en/book/swis...pgrade-bargain and this information is there too: "Local legal requirements prohibit bids from Brazil and India." :confused::confused::rolleyes:

This I could not understand, since other Star Alliance airlines which use the Plusgrade system, including LH, premit the bid for upgrades (MyOffer from LH permits it, I have even used it, with success).


So, perhaps I will book again with LH! ;)

uiucsb Feb 23, 18 10:35 am

This ~week is my first time looking to upgrade from cheap economy ticket to business via the bidding for LAX-ZRH on 3/3. 4 days ago (2/19), the cheapest USD bid option was $980. To my surprise, today it's $1100. I should have realized there would be dynamic pricing, but hadn't thought about it. I also didn't notice anyone else posting about changing prices either. So, A) public service announcement to all the newbies out there! and B) Does anyone have info on how much prices change and if they move up and down a lot? Thanks!

Nic33 Feb 23, 18 12:21 pm

I have also observed that. I have tried to understand the pattern using expert flyer to determine the loads, but I could not come to any conclusive explanation. If they is some rationality in those changes, I would tend to assume the following:

- the minimum price is increased when LX believes that it will fill its C cabin and that it can hence ask for higher minimum prices to get higer offers from bidders in lesser numbers.
- the minimum price is decreased when LX wants more people to bid (I just experienced a minimum price decrease today in connection with one of my LH flights occuring in a couple of days)

flockavelliFT Mar 10, 18 7:06 am

I'm flying the MUC-SFO (via ZRH) LX error fare on Swiss next Saturday in J.
I was under the assumption that the Swiss Upgrade Bargain program would apply here and I see a lot of free spots in F.
So far, I have not received any information on that, hotline told me that would work "automatically", and I don't see any option for it when I manage my booking on swiss.com.
Can anyone shed some light whether this flight does not qualify for Swiss Upgrade Bargain?
I would put an offer in but it's not worth the 70k miles for me, especially since I can tax deduct the cost of the flight, but not miles.

Viennafly Mar 10, 18 8:19 am


Originally Posted by flockavelliFT (Post 29507571)
I'm flying the MUC-SFO (via ZRH) LX error fare on Swiss next Saturday in J.
I was under the assumption that the Swiss Upgrade Bargain program would apply here and I see a lot of free spots in F.
So far, I have not received any information on that, hotline told me that would work "automatically", and I don't see any option for it when I manage my booking on swiss.com.
Can anyone shed some light whether this flight does not qualify for Swiss Upgrade Bargain?
I would put an offer in but it's not worth the 70k miles for me, especially since I can tax deduct the cost of the flight, but not miles.

Not all booking classes are eligible for the Swiss Upgrade Bargain. Booking class P is not eligible. But from my experience, do not expect a bargain. For a couple of my flights (all booked in Z) the minimum bid was >2500 CHF.

goliath Mar 10, 18 8:40 am


Originally Posted by flockavelliFT (Post 29507571)
I'm flying the MUC-SFO (via ZRH) LX error fare on Swiss next Saturday in J.


Originally Posted by Viennafly (Post 29507708)
Not all booking classes are eligible for the Swiss Upgrade Bargain. Booking class P is not eligible.

That's exactly the problem. The MUC-SFO error fare booked in P (not in J).

YuropFlyer Mar 10, 18 9:31 am

If you keep reminding them that it's an error fare you might fly in Y ;)

Wtravel Jul 3, 18 5:20 am

It seems to me upgrade bids from C to F only make sense if you are upgrading from a market (e.g., CH) with ridiculously high fares to begin with, so pretty pointless for many markets. On my last 4 trips in each case the minimum bid was just slightly higher than if I would have simply paid the fare difference...

f4freeJunior Jul 3, 18 4:02 pm

I have never seen it cheaper than 1500 chf to/from far east. Not even when I was on a J fare.

Nick Art Jul 4, 18 5:20 am

JFK to ZRH was 960.- from J to F if I recall correctly.

f4freeJunior Jul 5, 18 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by Nick Art (Post 29936680)
JFK to ZRH was 960.- from J to F if I recall correctly.

Possible, it is also a shorter flight.

bawm Jul 6, 18 11:19 am


Originally Posted by f4freeJunior (Post 29941913)
Possible, it is also a shorter flight.

Indeed; I've seen minimums less than CHF 900 on ZRH-BOS.

YuropFlyer Jul 6, 18 3:09 pm

Actually those flights are so short I would probably not do it on a day flight.

Wtravel Jul 11, 18 9:41 am

US West Coast doesn’t seem to go below CHF 1700/1800.

warrenw Aug 11, 18 7:59 am

I'm seeing $1,600 for an upgrade to First on a November flight to Sao Paulo. What do you think my chances of winning the bid if I bid near the minimum?? Fair bid is $2,400.

f4freeJunior Aug 31, 18 2:18 am

Some other data points:
LX138 ZRH-HKG, from Business class C, upgrade bargain min bid CHF 1560.
LX177 SIN-ZRH, from Business class D, upgrade bargain min bid CHF 1700.

warrenw Sep 16, 18 6:02 pm

I bid on ZRH-GRU and GRU-ZRH for 20GBP over the minimum price possible. Minimum was 1,200GBP. Right now on the outbound one seat is taken, return 3 seats taken. Flight is towards the end of November.

We'll see!

ermis177 Sep 17, 18 12:24 pm

So minimum is 2,400GBP for a return upgrade?! You could buy a business class return with so many airlines around half of that price.

mmff Sep 17, 18 1:31 pm


Originally Posted by ermis177 (Post 30213782)
So minimum is 2,400GBP for a return upgrade?! You could buy a business class return with so many airlines around half of that price.

Those figures are for upgrades to F.


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