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oliver2002 Jan 15, 16 6:15 am

Weird. That flight is empty in Y, oversold in C and well booked in F.

Code:

AD25JANZRHGRU/ALX                                                             
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** GRU GUARULHOS INTL.BRSP      10 MO 25JAN 0000 
 1  LX 094  F5 A0 J4 C4 D0 Z0 P0 /ZRH  GRU 3  0925    1845  E0/343      12:20
            Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 E9 L9 K9                           
 2  LX 092  F5 A0 J9 C9 D0 Z0 P0 /ZRH  GRU 3  2240    0800+1E0/343      12:20
            Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 E9 L9                               
>


LH_001 Jan 15, 16 7:56 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 26022551)
Weird. That flight is empty in Y, oversold in C and well booked in F.

Code:

AD25JANZRHGRU/ALX                                                             
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** GRU GUARULHOS INTL.BRSP      10 MO 25JAN 0000 
 1  LX 094  F5 A0 J4 C4 D0 Z0 P0 /ZRH  GRU 3  0925    1845  E0/343      12:20
            Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 E9 L9 K9                           
 2  LX 092  F5 A0 J9 C9 D0 Z0 P0 /ZRH  GRU 3  2240    0800+1E0/343      12:20
            Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 E9 L9                               
>




How comes they send me such an e-mail? Could be a mistake? :confused:

But I wouldn't bid anyhow.

P. S.Now I saw it: u checked the 25th. Sorry, not quite 10 days. Its on 29th of Jan. I washt precise.

LH_001 Jan 15, 16 8:08 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 26022551)
Weird. That flight is empty in Y, oversold in C and well booked in F.

Code:

AD25JANZRHGRU/ALX                                                             
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** GRU GUARULHOS INTL.BRSP      10 MO 25JAN 0000 
 1  LX 094  F5 A0 J4 C4 D0 Z0 P0 /ZRH  GRU 3  0925    1845  E0/343      12:20
            Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 E9 L9 K9                           
 2  LX 092  F5 A0 J9 C9 D0 Z0 P0 /ZRH  GRU 3  2240    0800+1E0/343      12:20
            Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 E9 L9                               
>



I had a look myself at EF and the situation with buckets is not much different than what u already found out for the 25th of January.

So, why do they send this e-mail after all? Id never pay that as a bid for upgrade. Its far too much.

JanoSicek Jan 15, 16 8:10 am

Well, I am waiting for such email and will bid 1000 CHF.
In my case economy was 600 CHF roundtrip, and cheapest business was 5000 CHF (That's the price people living in ZRH have to pay). So I will gladly offer 1000 for upgrade on the outbound.

LH_001 Jan 15, 16 8:11 am


Originally Posted by LUGlodo (Post 25312062)
Can't speak to your exact case, but in both my last two GRU-ZRH and ZRH-GRU flights I received the upgrade email. Price range was ranging from CHF 860 ("weak chance") to CHF 3'250 ("excellent chance") (who would bid that?).

I did not participate in the bid, but in one of the two occasions I received an email two days before departure with an offer to upgrade for CHF 999. I accepted it after making sure that this would book into D class and give enough miles to reach Senator this year :)

Given that short-term fixed-price upgrade offer I wonder how many people actually bid the upgrade to business at anything above what Swiss considers "weak":confused:

Hey lugiodo!

How did u make sure they would upgrade u into D? I was on the phone with LX and they told me that the new booking class would be P.

Thanx for help.

Air Rarotonga Jan 16, 16 10:29 am


Originally Posted by LH_001 (Post 26022508)
Hi everyone!

This morning I received an bidding for upgrade invitation via e-mail. Me and my +1 are flying in 10 days to GRU and the lowest offer you can chose was 850CHF!!! R they completely nuts in LX?

Why? That would be a very good price for an upgrade on this route! If it's too much for you, fly in the class you bought your ticket!

LH_001 Jan 16, 16 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by Air Rarotonga (Post 26028175)
Why? That would be a very good price for an upgrade on this route! If it's too much for you, fly in the class you bought your ticket!

Before u start giving your "clever advices" read first: I said "THE LOWEST POSSIBLE OFFER was 850CHF". That means as well: NO CHANCE FOR AN UPGRADE. 850CHF as the final price is great for the boutique LCC in biz, but unfortunately they don't offer it for that price.

duvin Jan 17, 16 2:37 am


Originally Posted by LH_001 (Post 26029073)
Before u start giving your "clever advices" read first: I said "THE LOWEST POSSIBLE OFFER was 850CHF". That means as well: NO CHANCE FOR AN UPGRADE. 850CHF as the final price is great for the boutique LCC in biz, but unfortunately they don't offer it for that price.

No it doesn't mean that there is no chance for an upgrade. You may offer what you want, the amounts seem very reasonable when compared to business class ticket prices people actually pay.

YuropFlyer Jan 17, 16 3:12 am


Originally Posted by duvin (Post 26031156)
No it doesn't mean that there is no chance for an upgrade. You may offer what you want, the amounts seem very reasonable when compared to business class ticket prices people actually pay.

It's always about demand and supply.

If one wants, you can fly from ZRH to GRU for less than 2000 CHF in Business class. Via Madrid. Or starting in GVA. Or with a long layover. On other routes which sometimes can't be had for below 4000 CHF during high season, they'll throw it after you for <2k in low season. Or the good old trick on checking when are which holidays start/end (almost guaranteed OpUp from Y to C on airlines that run those according to status when you hold some and not like LX, where they'll try to sell upgrades when they've to, instead of thinking of their elites...)

This said, if you got a decent offer for ZRH-GRU direct on Swiss (I would consider everything below 600 CHF as decent, considering low oil) then 1700 CHF on top will make it 2300 CHF totally RT, earning P miles (afaik) - which is definitely a good price. But considering this is the starting offer, it might very well not work out (obviously NOT working out on this flight here, but generally spoken) - and if you calculate in just, say, 1200 CHF for the bid (RT 2400 CHF), making it 3000 CHF totally. For which you can fly Business class without any tricks pretty easily guaranteed (still maybe not on the direct flight as LX likes to squeeze their monopoly)

LH_001 Jan 17, 16 3:17 am


Originally Posted by duvin (Post 26031156)
No it doesn't mean that there is no chance for an upgrade. You may offer what you want, the amounts seem very reasonable when compared to business class ticket prices people actually pay.

Sure, I can offer the lowest amount of 850CHF, as I did already on my to HKG and got rejected. Some of my colleagues from the company I work in did the same:took the lowest possible offer and got rejected aus well. Dunno about other users around the world but it seems to me, that LX never takes such low offers.

kooks Jan 17, 16 6:28 am

just my 2cents here... ;)

but if you if you start your journey in BRU...

BRU - GRU (via ZRH) rt in P class is 2000 euros..... :cool:

(where the A class is 7000 euros.... in case)

duvin Jan 18, 16 2:07 am


Originally Posted by LH_001 (Post 26031231)
Sure, I can offer the lowest amount of 850CHF, as I did already on my to HKG and got rejected. Some of my colleagues from the company I work in did the same:took the lowest possible offer and got rejected aus well. Dunno about other users around the world but it seems to me, that LX never takes such low offers.

I don't think its that LX refuses your offer, but that other passengers have outbid you.

laoshu Jan 19, 16 9:01 pm

Yield Management...
 

Originally Posted by LH_001 (Post 26031231)
Sure, I can offer the lowest amount of 850CHF, as I did already on my to HKG and got rejected. Some of my colleagues from the company I work in did the same:took the lowest possible offer and got rejected aus well. Dunno about other users around the world but it seems to me, that LX never takes such low offers.

It's called YIELD Management... Example:LX has 2 seats to upgrade, 4 people offer CHF 850, 2 Offer CHF 900

Guess who gets the Seat..

cheers and happy flying !

Giamasetti Jan 26, 16 6:00 am

On the route FLR-ZRH-GRU (flight on 6 nov, if i remember well) I too was offered a paid upgrade by email for the outgoing flight; price range was from CHF 850 ("weak chance") to CHF 3'250 ("excellent chance").
I didn't bid.
A round trip ticket in business cost 2150€, so I found that offer was not suitable as, adding at least 850 CHF (770€ more or less) to my economy ticket paid about 800€, it would have ended at about 1570€ for outgoing in business and return in economy...

jawnbc Feb 2, 16 10:50 pm

Am a bit annoyed that I've not received an invite to bid. LH allows me to log on and see if my fare is one that allows a bid.

LX has my email address, since I had to ring them to pre-reserve seats in Y. Ticket's on LH stock because the aggregated LH/LX/OS sales office here in NZ pushes LH as the validating carrier unless there are no longhaul LH segments on the itinerary. Would've hoped that being *G meant something with LX.

duvin Feb 3, 16 1:30 am


Originally Posted by jawnbc (Post 26124821)
Would've hoped that being *G meant something with LX.

That there is more money to be squeezed from you using this upgrade bidding system?

livious Feb 5, 16 5:18 am


Originally Posted by jawnbc (Post 26124821)
Am a bit annoyed that I've not received an invite to bid. LH allows me to log on and see if my fare is one that allows a bid.

I don't think it has anything to do with being *G. With that being said, my wife (SK *G) declined her opportunity to bid and ended up being op-upped to C class, where I assume *G factored in. Given the costs associated with a successful bid, I don't think you are missing out a golden opportunity.

jawnbc Feb 5, 16 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by duvin (Post 26125178)
That there is more money to be squeezed from you using this upgrade bidding system?

Well...strictly speaking, my employer has paid so far. So I'm willing to pay out of pocket for an upgrade when it's good value to do so.

wanderer35 Mar 9, 16 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by LH_001 (Post 26031231)
Sure, I can offer the lowest amount of 850CHF, as I did already on my to HKG and got rejected. Some of my colleagues from the company I work in did the same:took the lowest possible offer and got rejected aus well. Dunno about other users around the world but it seems to me, that LX never takes such low offers.

A little bidding strategy.
A lot of people submit the minimum bid, just as you and your co-conspirators did.
If you submit a bid with the smallest possible delta (the size of which is usually determined by the slider) above the minimum you are ahead of, probably, most of the bidders. I do not think the selection software is too sophisticated, all it knows that you bid more than the others.
The amount of the minimum bid is quite high, about $855. If I recall correctly the minimum bid was definitely less than $500 on Austrian (JFK-VIE) when I successfully bid a couple of years ago, or so.
Ooops, I just noticed that the min bid of 850 was for a flight to Brazil. For that route it is probably a reasonable amount.

On a slightly different aspect of the topic, I have paid economy tickets JFK-ZRH for mid-April, bought on swiss.com and I did not get an invitation to upgrade.

(Promise: no more edits ...)

JanoSicek Apr 3, 16 3:03 am

I have booked a ticket using a travel agent and of course, there was no button to bid on the booking. Until today -- 14 days before the departure, when the email landed in my inbox. Immediately bid 200 above minimum.

helvetic Apr 20, 16 11:59 am

Is is possible to upgrade J->F this way?

Air Rarotonga Apr 21, 16 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 26512471)
Is is possible to upgrade J->F this way?

There's no F-cl offered on flights within Europe...

https://www.swiss.com/switzerland/en/comfortpackage

helvetic Apr 21, 16 5:41 pm


Originally Posted by Air Rarotonga (Post 26518223)
There's no F-cl offered on flights within Europe...

https://www.swiss.com/switzerland/en/comfortpackage

I thought that this bid-to-upgrade program applied to long-hauls.

loveairborne May 24, 16 10:27 am

I wonder anybody had recent success on ZRH-TLV, the bid starts at $910 one way, the lowest I can scroll down the bar is $670. Seriously? even buying the biz ticket is only $1200 round trip.

mmff May 26, 16 11:21 am


Originally Posted by loveairborne (Post 26674301)
I wonder anybody had recent success on ZRH-TLV, the bid starts at $910 one way, the lowest I can scroll down the bar is $670. Seriously? even buying the biz ticket is only $1200 round trip.

Yes, more often than not the range is unreasonable.

ced_lx Jun 7, 16 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by behuman (Post 24572538)
No one sane will ever upgrade with miles,

Depends how many miles you have :) LX has some really nice fares out of YUL in C so it make sense to upgrade if you have a ton of miles. You save the 1k in taxes on the award ticket. Thats until then stop allowing upgrades from the bottom business classes.

MB_again Jun 11, 16 8:04 am

Does M&M status matter in bid consideration and acceptance?
 
Anyone know if the current Miles & More status matters in any way when they consider bids, so at least higher status members can get some preferential consideration rather than being totally on par with anyone flying them, say for the first time?

Can't be entirely about the bid value, right?

mmff Jun 11, 16 12:24 pm


Originally Posted by mbarai (Post 26762548)
Can't be entirely about the bid value, right?

It can and it is.

oliver2002 Jul 1, 16 6:22 am

After one year of upgrade bargains using Plusgrade, LX today expanded the program to include upgrade bargains to First (BK:A). The bids can be placed for flights starting 13JUL2016.

https://www.swiss.com/ch/en/book%5Cs...-bargain-first


SWISS Upgrade Bargain is currently available on all SWISS long-haul flights. In order to qualify for SWISS Upgrade Bargain, your ticket must be issued at least 132 hours before departure.

Local legal requirements prohibit bids from Brazil, India and Japan. SWISS Flights to and from Tel Aviv are excluded from upgrades into First class.
Also the current ticket needs to be issued in 724 ticket stock.

Viennafly Jul 2, 16 9:31 am


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 26856352)
After one year of upgrade bargains using Plusgrade, LX today expanded the program to include upgrade bargains to First (BK:A). The bids can be placed for flights starting 13JUL2016.
https://www.swiss.com/ch/en/book%5Cs...-bargain-first
Also the current ticket needs to be issued in 724 ticket stock.

I is still not clear if it is upon invitation only ("If your flight is eligible for SWISS Upgrade Bargain, you will either see an invitation at the end of your booking on swiss.com or we will notify you via email."), but the sentence thereafter seems to suggest that you can make a bid for any booking ("You can also place your bid directly in our Manage booking section.").
At least for now, none of my C-bookings (ZRH-ORD, GVA-JFK and ZRH-JNB) until the end of the year (all 724 ticket stock) seems to offer this option in the Manage booking section. With the exception of the JNB flight, the other two show F6A6 on EF.

mbr Jul 12, 16 12:54 pm

Did not notice the information here that F is also available on bidding now. Just surprisingly saw in my booking overview that I have the possibility to bid on one of my upcoming flight tickets for all segments.

Interestingly: It is a 4 segment ticket (all long hauls) and I can place a bid for each segment. In fact if I would place the minimum bid on the two shorter segments I would already pay more than the fare difference for the whole 4 segments. So to me it makes totally no sense. I would rather call my travel agent and just upsell the whole ticket.

mbr Jul 12, 16 12:56 pm

One more remark: I had a friend who did bid on ZRH-JFK from Y to C and got the upgrade confirmed. Surprisingly it booked in D, which obviously gave him about 8 times the miles he was supposed from the cheapo Y tariff he had. So it seems the upgrade does not always book in P.

NA-Flyer Jul 13, 16 1:21 am

The F upgrade bid program is an attempt by LX to boost revenue in F cabin, which is starting to show lack of high level of occupation especially on North America flights ;)

Concerto Jul 13, 16 6:02 am

That's because they've banned most of us from booking miles tickets in 1st, obviously didn't like all the freeloaders!

NA-Flyer Jul 13, 16 7:37 am


Originally Posted by Concerto (Post 26909912)
That's because they've banned most of us from booking miles tickets in 1st, obviously didn't like all the freeloaders!

Not just low level M&M members but also US mileage junkies from UA ;) who seems to be grabbing a high load of free award seats on LX F cabin in the past.

I flown ZRH-ORD-ZRH route many times this year and shockingly there were one or in some cases two people occupying the F cabin only.

Viennafly Jul 14, 16 6:19 am


Originally Posted by mbr (Post 26906728)
Did not notice the information here that F is also available on bidding now. Just surprisingly saw in my booking overview that I have the possibility to bid on one of my upcoming flight tickets for all segments.

Interestingly: It is a 4 segment ticket (all long hauls) and I can place a bid for each segment. In fact if I would place the minimum bid on the two shorter segments I would already pay more than the fare difference for the whole 4 segments. So to me it makes totally no sense. I would rather call my travel agent and just upsell the whole ticket.

May I ask in which booking class you are booked and how many days/months in advance you could bid?

Viennafly Jul 14, 16 6:28 am

I also found the 'Swiss Upgrade Bargain' option for one of my bookings (JNB-ZRH in October). Minimum bid is 2720 CHF (max. is >8000). Availability is F0A0 though with 6/8 seats reserved.

mbr Jul 15, 16 7:49 am


Originally Posted by Viennafly (Post 26914916)
May I ask in which booking class you are booked and how many days/months in advance you could bid?

Booked in D (outbound) and C (inbound). The first flight is booked in early September.

wouter Jul 21, 16 6:02 am

I have flights booked in C to Singapore in January. Manage my booking does not show the upgrade option. Does this become available at a later date or are some flights excluded. Anyone know this please

united78 Aug 2, 16 11:00 am

We have a flight booked in October to Asia and it does not show as being available to bid on yet, if that helps..


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