SWISS / Edelweiss New routes and changes
Sep 18, 23, 5:56 am
#481
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BT A220 were primarily leased becuase of P&W engine issues, not general capacity shortage.
Sep 18, 23, 6:50 am
#482
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IAD is coordinated between the LH group and UA so I would suppose they will reduce some UA frequency to keep the number of seats into IAD balanced. Besides being a hub IAD has a massive local market.
Oct 1, 23, 6:53 pm
#483
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IAD has lots of room to grow, has lower unit costs than EWR and basically deals with weather and irrops a lot better than EWR. UA is also planning on increasing the number of flights and banks that flow through IAD quite drastically. It makes a lot of sense for A++ to funnel connections through IAD and free-up point-to-point availability to other hubs (EWR, ORD).
I don't believe this is true. LX operated some WK flights this summer to TPA and YVR using 77W and 330. YUL could have very well been kept as an LX operated station.
LX is due to come back to YUL with their own metal from the winter schedule. I don't think any schedules published for next summer really indicate with any certainty what airline/aircraft will operate the route.
By having WK operate YUL, LX basically kept the overall YUL capacity flat (despite reducing YUL by two weekly frequencies) and reduced the number of premium seats. This pretty much matches what AF does by operating their ultra high-density 77W COI aircraft to YUL during the summer schedule then bringing in more premium seats during the rest of the year.
I'd personally expect YYZ to probably perform better than YUL in filling up the F cabin, but we'll see how things pan out once the route starts.
I don't believe this is true. LX operated some WK flights this summer to TPA and YVR using 77W and 330. YUL could have very well been kept as an LX operated station.
LX is due to come back to YUL with their own metal from the winter schedule. I don't think any schedules published for next summer really indicate with any certainty what airline/aircraft will operate the route.
By having WK operate YUL, LX basically kept the overall YUL capacity flat (despite reducing YUL by two weekly frequencies) and reduced the number of premium seats. This pretty much matches what AF does by operating their ultra high-density 77W COI aircraft to YUL during the summer schedule then bringing in more premium seats during the rest of the year.
I'd personally expect YYZ to probably perform better than YUL in filling up the F cabin, but we'll see how things pan out once the route starts.
That said, how far in advance do J reward seats get released for the first time and how far in advance do J paid seats get released? (if I asked this question in the wrong thread, please let me know
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Oct 2, 23, 7:54 am
#484
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The ZRH-YYZ route must be super popular already, at least for those booking the rewards flights in J. I believe all of the outbound J reward flights from ZRH to YYZ in July 2024 are now all snatched up (there were plenty of 7/16 seats the other week). I would assume that F filling up paid or rewards is a big possibility.
That said, how far in advance do J reward seats get released for the first time and how far in advance do J paid seats get released? (if I asked this question in the wrong thread, please let me know )
That said, how far in advance do J reward seats get released for the first time and how far in advance do J paid seats get released? (if I asked this question in the wrong thread, please let me know
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Oct 2, 23, 9:45 am
#485
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I locked in a July outbound ZRH-YYZ LX J flight but I was hoping to move it to September (a less travelled season since all of the kids are back in school so less families on board in the last half of the month).
I just wanted to know if I should be paying close attention at the end of November or if I could earlier on Aeroplan (more like Aeropeso).
Oct 7, 23, 5:29 pm
#489
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i.e. ZRH-YYZ not showing up yet, but XXX-ZRH-YYZ is (but the XXX-ZRH is on another carrier not LX). I know we're still closer to 12 months rather than 10 months, but I am curious.
(note: I am trying to build an itinerary of SIN-FRA-ZRH(stop)-YYZ --- right now I don't see LX80 showing up solo yet, and I don't see LX1077 showing up yet either for Aeroplan, but I know there are seats available for LX80 just only in a mirrored pair and certain days of the week)
Oct 8, 23, 2:37 pm
#490
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LX revenue management is ready to release the connecting itinerary because it will have lower demand.
You'll just have to keep checking, see if they give up holding out for cash bookings, and open up the single segment to partners.
Oct 8, 23, 8:30 pm
#491
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Ohhhhhh so they release the connecting itinerary first because it will fill a seat on two planes rather than one, and then after a while they'll release the single segment seats? I assume this is because it is like 11-12 months out right now so they want to see if they can get some fish to bite first before they release single segments in general a couple of weeks (or months) later?
Oct 9, 23, 6:35 pm
#492
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Ohhhhhh so they release the connecting itinerary first because it will fill a seat on two planes rather than one, and then after a while they'll release the single segment seats? I assume this is because it is like 11-12 months out right now so they want to see if they can get some fish to bite first before they release single segments in general a couple of weeks (or months) later?
Oct 9, 23, 7:38 pm
#493
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kind of. There is no blanket rule. Revenue management is very complex and based on many factors. Some flights just never open up a part from very last minute. YYZ being a new route, I can just image they are trying to figure out demand. I would expect a lot of last minute availability, like 3-4 days out.
I haven't seen August/September yet, mind you before a lot of online search engine tools that would scrub flights to see what's available I wouldn't be surprised if points brokers scooped up late July and Aug flights in seconds... I don't see solo yet for ZRH-YYZ in September, nor do I see any intra-EU solo flights either (i.e. FRA-ZRH, CPH-ZRH, etc.) after Aug 1st... there is only one way to get to ZRH after that date and it is via a certain city using another carrier for the first leg and LX for the second leg (I don't want bots scraping these combos up yet so I won't name the *A carrier but one can look and see what I mean by plugging in a mid-Aug or Sep date). I would assume it is that LX hasn't released them to Aeroplan yet?
Oct 10, 23, 8:38 pm
#494
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When the route was first announced, they had tons of availability get released for May/June and even July (up until the 16th I believe) on Aeroplan (more like Aeropesos to me lol).
I haven't seen August/September yet, mind you before a lot of online search engine tools that would scrub flights to see what's available I wouldn't be surprised if points brokers scooped up late July and Aug flights in seconds... I don't see solo yet for ZRH-YYZ in September, nor do I see any intra-EU solo flights either (i.e. FRA-ZRH, CPH-ZRH, etc.) after Aug 1st... there is only one way to get to ZRH after that date and it is via a certain city using another carrier for the first leg and LX for the second leg (I don't want bots scraping these combos up yet so I won't name the *A carrier but one can look and see what I mean by plugging in a mid-Aug or Sep date). I would assume it is that LX hasn't released them to Aeroplan yet?
I haven't seen August/September yet, mind you before a lot of online search engine tools that would scrub flights to see what's available I wouldn't be surprised if points brokers scooped up late July and Aug flights in seconds... I don't see solo yet for ZRH-YYZ in September, nor do I see any intra-EU solo flights either (i.e. FRA-ZRH, CPH-ZRH, etc.) after Aug 1st... there is only one way to get to ZRH after that date and it is via a certain city using another carrier for the first leg and LX for the second leg (I don't want bots scraping these combos up yet so I won't name the *A carrier but one can look and see what I mean by plugging in a mid-Aug or Sep date). I would assume it is that LX hasn't released them to Aeroplan yet?
Oct 10, 23, 11:27 pm
#495
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So basically if I want LX flights on Aeroplan, for Sep 2024 I still have some weeks to wait! I had to settle on a "married pair" of VIE-ZRH-YYZ to get LX metal on the date I wanted, but that means having to be in VIE to get the OS flight to ZRH to get to then hop on LX80 to YYZ.
Now that all of the online search tools have basically been shut down or ordered to cease and desist using AC's booking system to scrape for flights, I stand a better chance of finding flights the moment LX releases them --- but I can guarantee they'll start flying like hotcakes because who wouldn't want to spend 70K on LX J (one-way static rate) when AC charges like 200K+ dynamic pricing???
That's why folks would run to find the ZRH-YUL flights before the pandemic... availability was almost always non-existent because the limited supply that LX releases would get snapped up in hours, if not minutes.
