Swiss potential new routes
Dec 26, 2010, 4:30 pm
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Swiss potential new routes
Since Swiss ordered a further 5 A330-300s for expansion, on which routes could they be using them? I bet a comeback to Singapore a new routes like Abu Dhabi, Newark (connections with CO) and Toronto (a big *A hub).
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Dec 26, 2010, 4:44 pm
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http://atwonline.com/airline-finance...olidation-1219
Swiss International Air Lines CEO Harry Hohmeister told ATW at the Star Alliance meeting in Queenstown that “2011 will be the year of consolidation for us,” noting, “We will not add new long-haul routes [but will] consolidate against the current trend in the industry.”
When they do start expanding longhaul again I would be surprised to see SIN , there is already a daily A380 on SIN-ZRH from SQ , is more capacity really needed on that sector ?
Dec 26, 2010, 9:00 pm
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Judging by recent history, LX are quite cautious when it comes to opening new destinations. I can only remember SFO, SHA and DEL in the last 3 years. If anything appears in 2011 my guess would be BJS or ICN.
BTW whatever happened to Tehran? I seem to recall a press release from 2003 saying it was a well-performing route, and then soon after it got pulled?
Dec 27, 2010, 2:00 am
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Dec 27, 2010, 5:11 am
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Dec 28, 2010, 2:25 am
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I would like to see a ZRH - BLR in India. The only flight from FRA is solid booked for weeks ahead in C and F. There is a solid pax volume of NRI's from the US to BLR, currently via going FRA. Furthermore this avoids the horrible morning jog with luggage from C14 to A 42 on the return flight.
I would like to see 2(maybe3 ) rotations ACH - FRA -ACH as well. Unfortunately OS is reducing its service ACH-VIE to 3 flights per day and the new People's Airline operating ACH-VIE-ACH from March 2011 does not have a codeshare with *A so far.
I would like to see 2(maybe3 ) rotations ACH - FRA -ACH as well. Unfortunately OS is reducing its service ACH-VIE to 3 flights per day and the new People's Airline operating ACH-VIE-ACH from March 2011 does not have a codeshare with *A so far.
Dec 28, 2010, 7:08 am
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What i would like and there could be some chance it happens: EWR, IAD, PEK
Would be great, but I don't believe it's happening: Rio de Janeiro, Mexico, to a lesser extent also Houston, Abu Dhabi, Seoul, Doha.
Also let's not forget that some of the destinations we want to see require an A340 rather than an A333. However, the current A340 fleet seems utilised almost to the max, only Cairo and Boston could be switched from the current A343 to A333. Which would make only one "very long haul" destination possible.
Would be great, but I don't believe it's happening: Rio de Janeiro, Mexico, to a lesser extent also Houston, Abu Dhabi, Seoul, Doha.
Also let's not forget that some of the destinations we want to see require an A340 rather than an A333. However, the current A340 fleet seems utilised almost to the max, only Cairo and Boston could be switched from the current A343 to A333. Which would make only one "very long haul" destination possible.
Dec 28, 2010, 10:21 am
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What i would like and there could be some chance it happens: EWR, IAD, PEK
Would be great, but I don't believe it's happening: Rio de Janeiro, Mexico, to a lesser extent also Houston, Abu Dhabi, Seoul, Doha.
Also let's not forget that some of the destinations we want to see require an A340 rather than an A333. However, the current A340 fleet seems utilised almost to the max, only Cairo and Boston could be switched from the current A343 to A333. Which would make only one "very long haul" destination possible.
Would be great, but I don't believe it's happening: Rio de Janeiro, Mexico, to a lesser extent also Houston, Abu Dhabi, Seoul, Doha.
Also let's not forget that some of the destinations we want to see require an A340 rather than an A333. However, the current A340 fleet seems utilised almost to the max, only Cairo and Boston could be switched from the current A343 to A333. Which would make only one "very long haul" destination possible.
With more A330-300 joining the LX fleet, the seatng capacity is similar to
A340-300, and therefore the A340-300 could be used for other routes instead.
Dec 28, 2010, 12:36 pm
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The TLV hop is done by a 343 because of the prestige factor (normally such routes are flown by midhaul aircraft but the core customer group transiting in ZRH would not accept that
). Right now only the 343 have enough gaps to do such a route.
For some insight into what LX does before deciding a new route, read the July 2 blog entry here: http://blog.swiss.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
BTW, there you can see two of our 4 LX lurkers in a picture
). Right now only the 343 have enough gaps to do such a route.For some insight into what LX does before deciding a new route, read the July 2 blog entry here: http://blog.swiss.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
BTW, there you can see two of our 4 LX lurkers in a picture
Dec 28, 2010, 6:38 pm
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The TLV hop is done by a 343 because of the prestige factor (normally such routes are flown by midhaul aircraft but the core customer group transiting in ZRH would not accept that). Right now only the 343 have enough gaps to do such a route.
For some insight into what LX does before deciding a new route, read the July 2 blog entry here: http://blog.swiss.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
BTW, there you can see two of our 4 LX lurkers in a picture
). Right now only the 343 have enough gaps to do such a route.For some insight into what LX does before deciding a new route, read the July 2 blog entry here: http://blog.swiss.com/2010_07_01_archive.html
BTW, there you can see two of our 4 LX lurkers in a picture
ZRH-TLV route. LX does not feature F class anymore (officialy, the F seats blocked for HONs). The only prestige that one might see at the moment is a feature of 4 CFM International CFM56 engines, as well as AVOD that allows you to start the movie exactly when you want it (which the A330-200 does not have).
Dec 29, 2010, 12:11 am
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It seems you can't do business in TLV without flying a twin aisle widebody there. LX and OS tried to make the route work with A320s and are back to 343 and 763 respectively. Nothing special about the 343, you may have misread my post.
Dec 29, 2010, 8:21 am
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Usually, LX, OS and LH (all operated by wide-body jet) are full, so it wouldn't make sense to fly A320 on that route.
Dec 29, 2010, 9:21 am
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ACH is not a properly certfified airport for scheduled flights. As such, the only scheduled service they are allowed to operate is the "legacy" route which they have been serving since before the certification requirement came into force - i.e. VIE. There have been half-hearted attempts at obtaining a certification ("Konzession"), but that comes with lots of paperwork and the adjacient villages are not interested in more noise so they object.
Dec 29, 2010, 12:24 pm
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As for Abu Dhabi, is there really that much O&D Traffic to justify the route?
Dec 29, 2010, 2:13 pm
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I can't really see any of those, Singapore and Toronto are already served from Zurich via Codeshare agreements with SQ and AC respectively, CO already operate to EWR, this could also go Codeshare, after all CO already codeshare with LH, and LX codeshare with UA to IAD, so once they complete their merger...
As for Abu Dhabi, is there really that much O&D Traffic to justify the route?
As for Abu Dhabi, is there really that much O&D Traffic to justify the route?