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Starwood Lurker Aug 20, 2014 10:12 am


Originally Posted by uxb (Post 23392144)
...Has this policy changed, Lurkers? If not, then I expect someone to follow up because I'm not gonna waste any more of my time on this issue.

Thanks for letting us know. My apologies if you didn't get the bedding type you wanted, but guaranteed bedding does not apply to BRG claims.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

uxb Aug 20, 2014 10:40 am


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 23395025)
Thanks for letting us know. My apologies if you didn't get the bedding type you wanted, but guaranteed bedding does not apply to BRG claims.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

So you are expected to match apples to apples to get a BRG claim approved, but then they can stick you into whatever room they feel like? No offence, but that's ridiculous! I'd rather you guys just say bedding is not guaranteed, period. It is what the front desk manager said this morning.

Starwood Lurker Aug 20, 2014 10:55 am


Originally Posted by uxb (Post 23395182)
...It is what the front desk manager said this morning.

He was right when it comes to BRG claims. My apologies, but your original booking was for 2 Queen beds. My understanding is that a king bed was requested, but it is not guaranteed under a BRG claim.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

lcpteck Aug 20, 2014 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 23395245)
He was right when it comes to BRG claims. My apologies, but your original booking was for 2 Queen beds. My understanding is that a king bed was requested, but it is not guaranteed under a BRG claim.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

Does that mean if a BRG claim for a King Bed room is approved, the King bed is not guaranteed because it's a BRG?

djohannw Aug 21, 2014 2:47 am


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 23395245)
He was right when it comes to BRG claims. My apologies, but your original booking was for 2 Queen beds. My understanding is that a king bed was requested, but it is not guaranteed under a BRG claim.

Let me try to understand this: What exactly does make a stay at a a paid rate that was adjusted to some lower amount but booked in the appropriate room- and bedding type less of a "paid reservation" than anything booked on SPG.com that was not modified on the price alone?

To be more precise, if I find a lower rate for a room with 1 King bed with view elsewhere, book that exact room-type on SPG.com and successfully claim the BRG for this, would I still have to accept the 1 single bed room without view that I avoided on purpose? That just does not sound right to me- it would make the BRG kind of pricelinesque...

Greetings - Dirk

Starwood Lurker III Aug 21, 2014 4:15 am


Originally Posted by lcpteck (Post 23398168)
Does that mean if a BRG claim for a King Bed room is approved, the King bed is not guaranteed because it's a BRG?

Hi lcpteck,

Yes, you are right. Bed types are not guaranteed.

Best Regards,

Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

travelswithmyself Aug 21, 2014 4:23 am


Originally Posted by uxb (Post 23392144)
I had BRG'd the night king bed for king bed. When I arrived, however, I received a room with two Queens.


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 23395245)
He was right when it comes to BRG claims. My apologies, but your original booking was for 2 Queen beds. My understanding is that a king bed was requested, but it is not guaranteed under a BRG claim.


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker III (Post 23399171)
Hi lcpteck,

Yes, bed types are guaranteed.


:confused:

Starwood Lurker III Aug 21, 2014 4:28 am


Originally Posted by djohannw (Post 23398960)
To be more precise, if I find a lower rate for a room with 1 King bed with view elsewhere, book that exact room-type on SPG.com and successfully claim the BRG for this, would I still have to accept the 1 single bed room without view that I avoided on purpose? That just does not sound right to me- it would make the BRG kind of pricelinesque...

Greetings - Dirk

Hi djohannw,

Room types are guaranteed. You will receive the room with the review as approved.

Best Regards,

Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

Starwood Lurker III Aug 21, 2014 4:41 am


Originally Posted by travelswithmyself (Post 23399183)
:confused:

Hi travelswithmyself,

Sorry for the confusion.

I have corrected my post. It is very slow to open the website today. :(

Best Regards,

Christina Zhou
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

lcpteck Aug 21, 2014 5:39 am

Thanks to the Lurkers for the confirmation.

So in conclusion, if the reservation is booked on a BRG rate, the room type is guaranteed but bed type isn't. That seems weird but I guess that's the law of the land.

djohannw Aug 21, 2014 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker III (Post 23399194)
Hi djohannw,

Room types are guaranteed. You will receive the room with the review as approved.

So just out of curiosity - what makes these BRG-reservations less "paid" than a regular one? It is not something like IHG where the first night is free but it is just a lower price...I really do not get the reasoning behind that.

On a related note: Is all of this posted somewhere in writing were I can actually review the exclusion of rooms at a BRG rate from the bedding-type guarantee? The BRG T&Cs do not have this exclusion in there if I am not mistaken...

Greetings - Dirk

pWei Aug 21, 2014 7:32 pm

What about discounts? Does use of AAA, AARP, Government, Corporate or other promo rates invalidate the bed type guarantee?

Pa Kettle Aug 21, 2014 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by pWei (Post 23403457)
What about discounts? Does use of AAA, AARP, Government, Corporate or other promo rates invalidate the bed type guarantee?

It hasn't before. Probably not now either.

mahasamatman Aug 21, 2014 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by lcpteck (Post 23399381)
So in conclusion, if the reservation is booked on a BRG rate, the room type is guaranteed but bed type isn't.

That's never been my experience. They don't take bed type into account for the BRG (because they claim that no third-party site guarantees bed type), but the room and bed type you book on spg.com are the room and bed type you should always get.

uxb Aug 22, 2014 6:01 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 23403658)
That's never been my experience. They don't take bed type into account for the BRG (because they claim that no third-party site guarantees bed type), but the room and bed type you book on spg.com are the room and bed type you should always get.

The problem here is that you must match room AND bed type in order to get a BRG claim approved. Considering these requirements, it should be reasonable to assume that you will get EXACTLY what you sought in claim submission. It's definitely left me scratching my head. :confused:

supatight80 Aug 22, 2014 10:09 am


Originally Posted by uxb (Post 23405155)
The problem here is that you must match room AND bed type in order to get a BRG claim approved. Considering these requirements, it should be reasonable to assume that you will get EXACTLY what you sought in claim submission. It's definitely left me scratching my head. :confused:

IME, i had several brg claims approved where competitive website shows 1 single bed or 2 queens but spg.com doesnt offer such bed type at time of booking. As long as room type is the same, i did not encounter any problems getting my claim denied because of bed type.

uxb Aug 22, 2014 10:27 am


Originally Posted by supatight80 (Post 23406407)
IME, i had several brg claims approved where competitive website shows 1 single bed or 2 queens but spg.com doesnt offer such bed type at time of booking. As long as room type is the same, i did not encounter any problems getting my claim denied because of bed type.

Yeah. I don't want to stray into meta. My experience has been the opposite, and I've done a lot of BRGs over the last few years.

Land-of-Miles Oct 22, 2014 4:48 am

Do Starwood guarantee bed type booked?
 
I booked a king and am currently showing a twin non upgraded room at a LC property. Is the change of bed type in line with the minimal brand standards?

Out of my Element Oct 22, 2014 5:30 am

Did you book with points or with cash?

controller1 Oct 22, 2014 5:35 am


Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles (Post 23715333)
I booked a king and am currently showing a twin non upgraded room at a LC property. Is the change of bed type in line with the minimal brand standards?

Bed type booked is guaranteed with paid reservations. Bed type booked is not guaranteed with award reservations.

fivenue Oct 22, 2014 7:53 am


Originally Posted by controller1 (Post 23715470)
Bed type booked is guaranteed with paid reservations. Bed type booked is not guaranteed with award reservations.

not necessarily true in my case. few times i reserved/paid for king, and got double, or vice versa.
but then again, i have low expectation, other than a place to crash, plus access to lounge, while doing business travel.

3Cforme Oct 22, 2014 8:09 am

Lurker has explained the bed type & smoking preference guarantee with paid reservations. Take it to the bank. (That's not to say some properties won't fight...)

Land-of-Miles Oct 22, 2014 9:26 am

This is a paid reservation.

Thank you.

margarita girl Oct 22, 2014 10:16 am

There is an FAQ on this subject. Here you go.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starw...ml#post4436987

PTahCha Oct 22, 2014 2:58 pm

That sounds like a downgrade. Same thing happened to me at W NY, going from a King to a twin sized bed. Not acceptable.

I would ask the hotel to rectify the situation, and if they claim room type is not guaranteed, escalate to Corporate Customer Service.

RAPC Oct 22, 2014 3:40 pm

Keep in mind that some properties (Park Tower which is the London LC hotel) will sometimes show a room as a twin when it is actually a King. The Kings are actually a pair of twins connected together. It isn't unique to this hotel, so it is a possibility depending on the property involved.

TerryK Oct 22, 2014 4:20 pm


Originally Posted by RAPC (Post 23718769)
.....The Kings are actually a pair of twins connected together. It isn't unique to this hotel, so it is a possibility depending on the property involved.

Pretty common in Europe.

Land-of-Miles Oct 22, 2014 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by RAPC (Post 23718769)
Keep in mind that some properties (Park Tower which is the London LC hotel) will sometimes show a room as a twin when it is actually a King. The Kings are actually a pair of twins connected together. It isn't unique to this hotel, so it is a possibility depending on the property involved.

Ah it is that property ;)

NBSPGMEMBER Oct 22, 2014 5:58 pm

I don't know about bed preference, but if you book a room using more points for a deluxe, executive or club level, you should be guaranteed that booked room.

mahasamatman Oct 22, 2014 9:16 pm

In my experience, a violation of bedding type is grounds for a 100% refund (though it's only happened to me once).

Sam P. Goodman Oct 22, 2014 9:37 pm

Funny this would come up now. Spent a couple of nights at the Westin Birmingham this weekend and my check in was delayed by about 10 minutes because a group of 7 ladies in front of me was upset because they had booked rooms with 2 beds, but the hotel only had King rooms available. I have no idea if they had paid or redeemed points, but it sounded as though this wasn't the first issue of this kind that night. I don't know what the resolution was, but didn't get the impression the hotel was ready to offer much other than, "sorry."

Side note: there was a beauty (as in hair and nails) convention in town, which made for some pretty hilarious people watching...and apparently several "lets see how many people from our salon we can fit in a hotel room" scenarios.

JBauer Aug 24, 2015 10:35 pm

Sheraton ny
 
Checked in tonight at midnight as a platinum. Reserved king on paid rate. They said they only had queens or Murphy bad pull out rooms. And said they are too big and do not garentee bed type. Kosher? No? When I pushed them on it they found a king with a broken shower.

djohannw Aug 25, 2015 1:19 am


Originally Posted by djohannw (Post 23402148)
So just out of curiosity - what makes these BRG-reservations less "paid" than a regular one? It is not something like IHG where the first night is free but it is just a lower price...I really do not get the reasoning behind that.

On a related note: Is all of this posted somewhere in writing were I can actually review the exclusion of rooms at a BRG rate from the bedding-type guarantee? The BRG T&Cs do not have this exclusion in there if I am not mistaken...

So celebrating the one year's anniversary of my question, did SPG come to a conclusion on how to answer these two questions, Lurkers? While in my personal experience this has no real meaning to me (at least over here in Europe, where I have always gotten the Bed-type I reserved), I'd be very unhappy being given a Murphy- or even a single Bed on a reservation that has been BRG'd.

Greetings - Dirk

RogerD408 Aug 25, 2015 6:29 am


Originally Posted by JBauer (Post 25323313)
Checked in tonight at midnight as a platinum. Reserved king on paid rate. They said they only had queens or Murphy bad pull out rooms. And said they are too big and do not garentee bed type. Kosher? No? When I pushed them on it they found a king with a broken shower.

Wrong response! Please report this to SPG so they can have the property retrained on how to manage Plat requests.

mahasamatman Aug 25, 2015 8:31 am


Originally Posted by RogerD408 (Post 25324550)
Please report this to SPG so they can have the property retrained on how to manage Plat requests.

Whether you're a Platinum or not should have no bearing on a guarantee like this. If they can't meet the guarantee, the stay should be free regardless of status.

Starwood Lurker Aug 25, 2015 9:57 am


Originally Posted by djohannw (Post 25323715)
So celebrating the one year's anniversary of my question, did SPG come to a conclusion on how to answer these two questions, Lurkers? While in my personal experience this has no real meaning to me (at least over here in Europe, where I have always gotten the Bed-type I reserved), I'd be very unhappy being given a Murphy- or even a single Bed on a reservation that has been BRG'd.

Greetings - Dirk

Sorry, but there won't be any response that we can offer to these two questions. Suffice to say, the answer is what it is.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]

Sam I Am Apr 28, 2016 12:23 am

Still accurate?
 
Is guaranteed room type still applicable for paid stays? Just checked in on a paid stay and they were unable to provide the booked bed type. (was given 2Q instead of 1K).

As it was after 1am, and I have an early morning, I didn't protest too much at the time. It's a short stay, and…

But I couldn't find anything on the SPG website or in the terms about bed type guarantee...

Thanks.

kauppias Apr 28, 2016 2:03 am


Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker (Post 25325590)
Sorry, but there won't be any response that we can offer to these two questions. Suffice to say, the answer is what it is.

Best regards,

William R. Sanders
Social Media Specialist
Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide

[email protected]


As a person who BRGs alot this came as news to me. When traveling alobe it is of no consequence to me what bed type I have but when with family I do depend on getting what I paid for, so can you or someone point me to the part in the T& c's where BRG stay are not guaranteed bed type? This will certainly exclude SPG properties from many family vacations if I cannot count on the bed type booked!

But it is good to be informed ahead of time so no suprises come!

Epicura Apr 28, 2016 2:34 am


Originally Posted by kauppias (Post 26546578)
As a person who BRGs alot this came as news to me. When traveling alobe it is of no consequence to me what bed type I have but when with family I do depend on getting what I paid for, so can you or someone point me to the part in the T& c's where BRG stay are not guaranteed bed type? This will certainly exclude SPG properties from many family vacations if I cannot count on the bed type booked!

But it is good to be informed ahead of time so no suprises come!

Count me in on this one 😉. I recently had a denial of a BRG claim, related to a discussion about bed type and smoking preference. In the denial there was clearly stated that these preferences would not be guaranteed, although it was not clearly pointed out that the lack of guarantee was due to BRG rate.

AdamK Jul 19, 2016 10:17 am

Data point: denied my original bed type (1K) because I was 'upgraded' to a 2 double bed junior suite--was told there were no king bed rooms remaining.

Followed up with SPG & property after (Sheraton Commander, Cambridge MA) and was told that since I was 'upgraded', the bed type guarantee doesn't apply. This was on a paid rate.

Lurkers, could you clarify as to whether this is correct?


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