Preview: New Program’s T&Cs
Aug 13, 2018, 3:25 am
#46
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Bangkok
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Aug 13, 2018, 5:16 am
#47
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
Programs: DL:MM, Marriott:LTT
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The new program disappears on Aug 18th except for where the new program allows for qualification using the legacy rules and count, but that is still part of the new program rules. On the 18th all legacy accounts in all three programs will migrate to the new program. No member can keep his/her account from being migrated into the new program. After all accounts are migrated and the legacy program's software is no longer available to members, each of us will have the opportunity to merge/combine accounts. Not merging does not leave you in the old program, it just gives you multiple accounts in the new program. Accounts being moved into the new program has nothing to do with someone combining accounts. Marriott is not running four different loyalty programs until the end of the year.
Aug 13, 2018, 7:24 am
#48
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
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This is interesting.
I'm sitting on 45 nights in FY2018 at the moment hence i'm wondering if:
a. I should hold off till after 18th Aug to clock my 5 stays (this should bump me up to the new plat & get the new 5 SNA awards)
or
b. Clock the 5 stays now to get Gold and then get mapped to the new program as a platinum. (But i suppose there is a risk of the 5 SNA awards not being awarded since technically this is the legacy program?)
Finally, i can still opt to "stay" in the old program until 31st Dec 2018? All i need to do is not initiate the combine request?
Thanks.
Edited Afternote: Realized this is an SPG Thread hence I am sorry i posted Marriott related questions here
I'm sitting on 45 nights in FY2018 at the moment hence i'm wondering if:
a. I should hold off till after 18th Aug to clock my 5 stays (this should bump me up to the new plat & get the new 5 SNA awards)
or
b. Clock the 5 stays now to get Gold and then get mapped to the new program as a platinum. (But i suppose there is a risk of the 5 SNA awards not being awarded since technically this is the legacy program?)
Finally, i can still opt to "stay" in the old program until 31st Dec 2018? All i need to do is not initiate the combine request?
Thanks.
Edited Afternote: Realized this is an SPG Thread hence I am sorry i posted Marriott related questions here
Aug 13, 2018, 9:12 am
#49
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Why is this shocking? The SPG Free Night Award is for a Cat 5 hotel. I have one outstanding from requalifying last year. Cat 5 Hotels go for 12-16k Starpoints depending on the season. So 36-48k Marriott Points. Not wildly out.
I had thought that these outstanding FNAs were going to be converted to new Points rather than remain a FNA which frankly I’d prefer as Points are more flexible. But a replacement 40k FNA is going to be fine for most considering the vastly greater number of hotels to redeem it in. I’ve always redeemed mine at the St. Regis Bangkok.
If if I get this correctly then will we get the option of a FNA at 50 nights (same as now) *and* another at 75?
A for the 50 night choice there is no FNA offered, it's only present on the 75N choice AFAIK.
Aug 13, 2018, 9:45 am
#50
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
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A second distinction between Platinum & Platinum Premiere
4.3.c.ii – Platinum members are not guaranteed a suite upgrade even if suites are available. At The Ritz-Carlton, only Platinum Premier members will be considered for suite upgrades.
4.3.c.ii – Platinum members are not guaranteed a suite upgrade even if suites are available. At The Ritz-Carlton, only Platinum Premier members will be considered for suite upgrades.
Aug 13, 2018, 11:06 am
#51
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Aug 13, 2018, 11:15 am
#52
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: BDU
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What you are quoting is from the section on Plat benefits and spells out the benefits for Plats and higher. The benefit is the same except, as this states, at the Ritz where Plats never got an UG anyway. Only PP can get an UG at the Ritz, which really doesn't seem like a significant perk that most guests will use and we do not know if reality if anyone will even get UGs at a Ritz since it remains at the hotel's discretion.
Aug 13, 2018, 11:21 am
#53
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What you are quoting is from the section on Plat benefits and spells out the benefits for Plats and higher. The benefit is the same except, as this states, at the Ritz where Plats never got an UG anyway. Only PP can get an UG at the Ritz, which really doesn't seem like a significant perk that most guests will use and we do not know if reality if anyone will even get UGs at a Ritz since it remains at the hotel's discretion.
Good thing I’ll be a LTPPE...
Aug 13, 2018, 1:19 pm
#54
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, Lifetime Titanium, Delta Plat, Hilton Diamond , Hyatt Globalist
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Here is one other Platinum Premier distinction I found:
Outside of the United States, Canada and Europe: Smoking/non-smoking preferences may also be given priority, based on availability; exact bed sizes may vary, and only Platinum Premier Elite Members will have guaranteed priority for their requested type of bed and room.
Outside of the United States, Canada and Europe: Smoking/non-smoking preferences may also be given priority, based on availability; exact bed sizes may vary, and only Platinum Premier Elite Members will have guaranteed priority for their requested type of bed and room.
Aug 13, 2018, 2:55 pm
#55
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: TUL
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Here is one other Platinum Premier distinction I found:
Outside of the United States, Canada and Europe: Smoking/non-smoking preferences may also be given priority, based on availability; exact bed sizes may vary, and only Platinum Premier Elite Members will have guaranteed priority for their requested type of bed and room.
Outside of the United States, Canada and Europe: Smoking/non-smoking preferences may also be given priority, based on availability; exact bed sizes may vary, and only Platinum Premier Elite Members will have guaranteed priority for their requested type of bed and room.
Guarantee my type of bed and room. Don't guarantee my priority!
Aug 13, 2018, 4:03 pm
#56
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: La Jolla, CA
Programs: Marriott Ambassador, Lifetime Titanium, Delta Plat, Hilton Diamond , Hyatt Globalist
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And that means nothing. What is "guaranteed priority"? Does that mean "Yes sir, as a Platinum Premier member we value your loyalty and you have guaranteed priority for your King bed non-smoking room. Unfortunately, we only have smoking rooms available with twin beds. Would you like one twin or two twin beds in your room?"
Guarantee my type of bed and room. Don't guarantee my priority!
Guarantee my type of bed and room. Don't guarantee my priority!
Aug 13, 2018, 4:38 pm
#57
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Here there everywhere
Programs: Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, BA Silver, Aegean Gold, Aeroplan 25k, AA EXP
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Though I am generally impressed with Marriott so far in this merger and believe they have made a good faith effort to be fair-- one difference I have noted between SPG and Marriott is that Marriott is more prone to weasel speak. "guaranteed priority" is one of many examples.
I’m half impressed with Marriott, the program itself isn’t bad. But the T&C’s, execution and lack of communication have made the whole thing frustrating.
My overall impression is that the whole thing is a half baked effort, there’s literally 0 organization or structure here. They had months to publish stuff yet didn’t, chose a weird date to merge, haven’t been entirely honest, etc.
Aug 13, 2018, 4:49 pm
#58
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New York
Programs: UA Silver, Marriott LTPP, Hertz Five Star
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The other points, I don't really have any comment. Detail has been scant.
Aug 13, 2018, 5:27 pm
#59
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Saturday night/Sunday morning often is a preferred window to implement IT migrations and updates.
Aug 14, 2018, 12:26 pm
#60
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,394
Has anyone seen language regarding capacity controls on award rooms? Starwood currently allows members to book the last available room in the base category. Marriott not so much. Even with the narrowing definition of "base room", this seems to me a huge benefit of starwood and I worry that this will go away in the combined T&Cs. Dealing with a marriott property right now where plenty of base rooms available but no points rooms available. Very frustrating having been used to the SPG philosophy.