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Marriott LTPs should have gotten LTP - not LTPP

Marriott LTPs should have gotten LTP - not LTPP

 
Old Apr 18, 2018, 8:49 pm
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Marriott LTPs should have gotten LTP - not LTPP

Looking at the new benefit chart, Marriott LTP maps perfectly to the new 50 night annual Plat status (and it actually is better than what they got at 75 nights Plat)
- 50% point bonus (same as before)
- 4pm late checkout (same as before, but not until SPG came into the mix)
- They get breakfast (same as before, but enhanced now w/real breakfasts at more properties/resorts, helped once SPG came into the mix)
- They get lounge access (same as before)
- They get stronger suite upgrade possibilities (wasn't there before, again helped by legacy SPG language)

As far as I can tell, the only things not covered by the above are 1) the 48 hour guarantee (believe we had one in SPG too, I have yet to use it in 800 nights, I'm guessing most rarely if ever use it) and 2) lounge access at resorts (not a ton of them, but still a weird carve-out regardless. So, factually speaking, the new 50 night Plat level is equal to slightly better than their prior 75 night Plat level (please correct me if I'm wrong).

But instead, they get a better status level (25% more bonus points), as well as upgrade status over other LTPs or annual Plats.

So somebody please explain why it was deemed necessary to make a one time exception for them to give LTPP, when that status level cannot be achieved going forward. PP and Ambassador should have been annual nights only, if neither were given an ongoing chance to make lifetime. All it does is alienate a big population of loyals.
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 8:55 pm
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Maybe cause Marriott is the one that bought SPG and thats how the cards were dealt?
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 9:05 pm
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Originally Posted by drewdawg199
Maybe cause Marriott is the one that bought SPG and that’s how the cards were dealt?
I am giving a fact-based argument vs. a snide one.

Nothing was taken away from them, for all intents and purposes, if LTPs on both side of the aisle were made the same LTP.
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 9:15 pm
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Originally Posted by drewdawg199
Maybe cause Marriott is the one that bought SPG and thats how the cards were dealt?
Marriott bought SPG due to the loyal members, more sophisticated members and awards program. Shafting SPG member is the stupidest thing they could do. See here:

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Old Apr 18, 2018, 9:35 pm
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They changed the status levels and the 50 night old MR Gold level is the new Plat. Old MR Plat at 75 nights is the new Plat Premier. That's why they are grandfathering MR LTP over to the new LT Plat Premier Elite. That I can understand. What I don't understand is why they think SPG LTP should not be grandfathered to the new LT Plat Premier Elite.

In the analysis of how to achieve LTP status in SPG vs MR, one can actually make an argument that it's easier to make MR LTP because of all the non BIB nights in MR and rollover nights, and no requirement for 10 year Plat.
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 9:41 pm
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I am in Agreement with OP.

Anybody who meet the criteria for MR LTP with the programs combined should be grandfathered in along with the MR LTPs to the new tier.

My suggestion is to continue to make noise... write emails to both Starwood and Marriott. Write the CEO and SVPs....

And j guess be prepared to take your money elsewhere if you dont like what you see.

i dont know if anything will change, but I strongly believe nothing will change if we are not vocal.
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Old Apr 18, 2018, 10:59 pm
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
Looking at the new benefit chart, Marriott LTP maps perfectly to the new 50 night annual Plat status (and it actually is better than what they got at 75 nights Plat)
- 50% point bonus (same as before)
- 4pm late checkout (same as before, but not until SPG came into the mix)
- They get breakfast (same as before, but enhanced now w/real breakfasts at more properties/resorts, helped once SPG came into the mix)
- They get lounge access (same as before)
- They get stronger suite upgrade possibilities (wasn't there before, again helped by legacy SPG language)

As far as I can tell, the only things not covered by the above are 1) the 48 hour guarantee (believe we had one in SPG too, I have yet to use it in 800 nights, I'm guessing most rarely if ever use it) and 2) lounge access at resorts (not a ton of them, but still a weird carve-out regardless. So, factually speaking, the new 50 night Plat level is equal to slightly better than their prior 75 night Plat level (please correct me if I'm wrong).

But instead, they get a better status level (25% more bonus points), as well as upgrade status over other LTPs or annual Plats.

So somebody please explain why it was deemed necessary to make a one time exception for them to give LTPP, when that status level cannot be achieved going forward. PP and Ambassador should have been annual nights only, if neither were given an ongoing chance to make lifetime. All it does is alienate a big population of loyals.
To me, this is very logical - MR Platinum now = 75 nights a year and it makes perfect sense to make the current MR LTPs into the new LTPP as that is the new 75 night level.

I don't quite understand what people have to gain by complaining what others are getting. The 1% is entitled to this and you poor peasants should just live with what you are handed
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 12:45 am
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Marriott bought Starwood
I have no issue with Marriott LTP's getting LTPPE.

Can we all just move on.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 2:50 am
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The problem for me is the lack of onward path towards LTPP for those of us who get caught in this.

to be honest I am a fair way from 750 SPG nights having circa 520 nights witn SPG some 1 year after getting LTP however I have been staying quite a lot at Marriotts and will probably close this year witn about 120 Marriottnights year to date. Which would put me in touching distance of the 750 night threshold within 12 months.

instead however there is no way to get there and It's start again having to get 75 nights with Marriott each year in perpetuity or resign myself to effectively having the equivalent of the old MR gold only. Neither really works for me, so unless a clear path to get to LTPP is offered its bye, bye.

i don't think I should necessarily just be gifted LTPP (although it would be nice in view of my sustantial spend over the years almost certainly well north of 200k) but all my nights have been earned via stays rather than bonus promos or credit card freebies. What really pisses me of is the lack of pathway to get equivalent treatment.

it is Marriots train set to play with absolutely but I choose which train operator I ride with and I do feel pretty alienated from MR now. I am sure I am not alone in that.

If the new scheme does not want to offer LTPP indefinitely to newcomers perhaps a time limited 2 to 3 year qualifying period from the end of 2018 for all those who currently have lifetime status would be a fair compromise. I would have no issues with that but my 100+ Marriott nights are heading elsewhere in 2019 without some change of that nature.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 3:20 am
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So what do you give MR LT Golds?
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 3:32 am
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Originally Posted by rebadc
Marriott bought Starwood
I have no issue with Marriott LTP's getting LTPPE.

Can we all just move on.
This idea that because Marriott acquired Starwood somehow SPG members are second-class citizens baffles me. Marriott bought Starwood *for* the loyal SPG members who drive huge amounts of spend. It's Marriott's job to convince us to stay on post-merger in a world with many competing options.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 3:59 am
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Originally Posted by GoSh4rks
So what do you give MR LT Golds?
i don't really have a view MR LTP seems appropriate but they too should presumably have an option to accrue for LTPP status too.
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by GoSh4rks
So what do you give MR LT Golds?
Hi Gosh4rks,

Lifetime members will retain their Lifetime status and all three Lifetime Elite tiers will remain.
Members will be assigned to new Lifetime Elite tiers as follows:
members.marriott.com/marriottrewards

Best regards,

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Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide, LLC
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Old Apr 19, 2018, 8:40 am
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Yes but aren't there four lifetime levels now, not three?
- Lifetime Silver Marriott -> will be Lifetime Silver Elite
- Lifetime Gold SPG -> will be Lifetime Gold Elite
- Lifetime Gold Marriott -> will Lifetime Platinum Elite
- Lifetime Platinum SPG -> will be Lifetime Platinum Elite
- Lifetime Platinum Marriott -> will be Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite

There is no clearly described path from SPG LTP to the upcoming Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite. This is the question that is not being answered.

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Old Apr 19, 2018, 8:45 am
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The leak before the official announcement suggested that Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite could be launched after a year or so. We don't know if this is accurate or not, but it could be a logical explanation and partly a solution to how to deal with 1,000+ night SPG Platinum Elites.
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