Marriott LTPs should have gotten LTP - not LTPP
Apr 24, 2018, 8:21 pm
#121
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: LT Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Hertz Prez Circle, United Platinum
Posts: 767
Of course you're multiplying your SPG points x3. Plus you have been able to get points for meals and incidentals. Again, different programs so different methods of accruing points.
Walk us through the math here. 670K starpoints / 500 nights = 1,340 starpoints/night. Divided by 3 starpoints/dollar spent = $440/night average spend. Do you consider yourself normal? That's several standard deviations above the average ADR.
Apr 24, 2018, 8:24 pm
#122
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: LT Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Hertz Prez Circle, United Platinum
Posts: 767
Marriott has definitely taken SPG members for granted. How is it fair that I will only receive Lifetime Platinum Elite status instead of Lifetime Platinum Premier Elite status when I am an SPG Lifetime Platinum member with (1) 879 SPG lifetime nights (actual nights), (2) $179,626 lifetime revenue spent at SPG properties, (3) 1.5 million Starpoints, (4) 112 lifetime nights with Marriott, and (5) 332,010 Marriott points.
Unless Marriott revises its policy, I will be moving my business elsewhere.
Unless Marriott revises its policy, I will be moving my business elsewhere.
Apr 24, 2018, 8:26 pm
#123
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: LT Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Hertz Prez Circle, United Platinum
Posts: 767
How long have you been with SPG? it's been less than 7 years since they started LT status so LT status obviously wasn't important to you until now.
Apr 24, 2018, 10:30 pm
#124
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Programs: SPG LTP, HH D
Posts: 729
Of course you're multiplying your SPG points x3. Plus you have been able to get points for meals and incidentals. Again, different programs so different methods of accruing points.
Walk us through the math here. 670K starpoints / 500 nights = 1,340 starpoints/night. Divided by 3 starpoints/dollar spent = $440/night average spend. Do you consider yourself normal? That's several standard deviations above the average ADR.
Apr 25, 2018, 8:05 am
#125
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Chicago
Programs: Hyatt Glob; UA 1K; BonVoyage LTT (RIP SPG); HH Dia; JX Insighter
Posts: 1,643
As I posted in the merged program thread: I exchanged some messages with Marriott on Twitter over the weekend expressing disappointment in the lifetime mappings for legacy SPG members. Yesterday evening, I received the following message:
So, take that for what it's worth.
"Stay tuned, [name]! There will be more details to come on this soon."
Apr 25, 2018, 8:35 am
#126
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,279
No petition for Marriott PLT who stayed over 100 night but didn’t spend $20K for ambassador status yet SPG members will receive it without the $20K requirement for 2019.
There wasn’t a petition when Marriott PLT’s didn’t get SNA when Marriott/SPG recognized each others status last year.
No petition when SPG Gold’s received breakfast & lounge access at Marriott Hotels and yet Marriott Golds didn’t at Starwood Hotels.
Seems like Marriott members are the ones who have been shafted more than once but you don’t see them starting petitions.
There wasn’t a petition when Marriott PLT’s didn’t get SNA when Marriott/SPG recognized each others status last year.
No petition when SPG Gold’s received breakfast & lounge access at Marriott Hotels and yet Marriott Golds didn’t at Starwood Hotels.
Seems like Marriott members are the ones who have been shafted more than once but you don’t see them starting petitions.
Apr 25, 2018, 8:49 am
#127
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,169
- 4pm check-out
- SNAs
- Better / firmer suite upgrade language
- Breakfast at more properties
- Ability to get Your 24 / Ambassador
Along with an amazing new set of highly desirable places one would love to use points on for vacations & nice stays.
Apr 25, 2018, 9:33 am
#128
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Toronto (YYZ)
Posts: 6,279
They didn't enhance the benefits of all the things I listed vs. what SPG members got immediately! And there was no petition started!
Apr 25, 2018, 9:38 am
#129
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Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,169
No petition among SPG loyals to get better suite access in Marriott properties & breakfasts at Resorts/R-Cs over the past couple years
No petition among SPG loyals to have our Your24 benefits honored at Marriott properties
The petition is to deal with a lifetime of hotel nights spent in the high hundreds, of recognition of hundreds of thousands of $ spent, etc. Just a bit different.
Apr 25, 2018, 9:45 am
#130
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: MR-Amb, Hyatt-Globalist, AA-EXP
Posts: 1,744
So yes, after putting pen to paper, I do think the 2MM points requirement is significantly easier than the 10 year requirement. That said, l still think both are hard and should have been rewarded equally in the new program.
Apr 25, 2018, 5:36 pm
#131
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA Plat, MR AMB + (LTT) , Hertz PC, UA Silver, HH Gold
Posts: 265
I completely understand why everyone is pissed about not getting LTPP. If I were in your shoes I would be livid also. This highlights why if possible try to make status in two chains.
But I understand why Marriott is rewarding its own members over the incoming Starwood folks.
Look at it this way, you stayed 800 nights at a Starwood property. When looking at the stays up until 2016, you were essentially staying at a Marriott Competitor. You could have chosen to stay at Marriott but you didn’t you stayed at a competing hotel. Nothing wrong with that there is great reasons for doing that.
If Marriott was to be truly fair, they should count SPG stays after 2016 with Marriott stays and then give status off that. In 2016 SPG was no longer a competitor.
Anyone who has been in the game enough to be sniffing at the LTPP mark has been around for a long time. That means they were going to a competitor for service for a long time, thus Marriott didn’t feel the need to reward them long-term. Thus I can see why Marriott isn’t rewarding the legacy Starwood folks with LTPP, whereas they are recognizing Marriott faithful’s.
But I understand why Marriott is rewarding its own members over the incoming Starwood folks.
Look at it this way, you stayed 800 nights at a Starwood property. When looking at the stays up until 2016, you were essentially staying at a Marriott Competitor. You could have chosen to stay at Marriott but you didn’t you stayed at a competing hotel. Nothing wrong with that there is great reasons for doing that.
If Marriott was to be truly fair, they should count SPG stays after 2016 with Marriott stays and then give status off that. In 2016 SPG was no longer a competitor.
Anyone who has been in the game enough to be sniffing at the LTPP mark has been around for a long time. That means they were going to a competitor for service for a long time, thus Marriott didn’t feel the need to reward them long-term. Thus I can see why Marriott isn’t rewarding the legacy Starwood folks with LTPP, whereas they are recognizing Marriott faithful’s.
Apr 25, 2018, 7:30 pm
#132
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 905
As I posted in the merged program thread: I exchanged some messages with Marriott on Twitter over the weekend expressing disappointment in the lifetime mappings for legacy SPG members. Yesterday evening, I received the following message:
So, take that for what it's worth.
So, take that for what it's worth.
Apr 25, 2018, 8:32 pm
#133
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: USA
Programs: SPG Platinum (100)
Posts: 517
I completely understand why everyone is pissed about not getting LTPP. If I were in your shoes I would be livid also. This highlights why if possible try to make status in two chains.
But I understand why Marriott is rewarding its own members over the incoming Starwood folks.
Look at it this way, you stayed 800 nights at a Starwood property. When looking at the stays up until 2016, you were essentially staying at a Marriott Competitor. You could have chosen to stay at Marriott but you didn’t you stayed at a competing hotel. Nothing wrong with that there is great reasons for doing that.
If Marriott was to be truly fair, they should count SPG stays after 2016 with Marriott stays and then give status off that. In 2016 SPG was no longer a competitor.
Anyone who has been in the game enough to be sniffing at the LTPP mark has been around for a long time. That means they were going to a competitor for service for a long time, thus Marriott didn’t feel the need to reward them long-term. Thus I can see why Marriott isn’t rewarding the legacy Starwood folks with LTPP, whereas they are recognizing Marriott faithful’s.
But I understand why Marriott is rewarding its own members over the incoming Starwood folks.
Look at it this way, you stayed 800 nights at a Starwood property. When looking at the stays up until 2016, you were essentially staying at a Marriott Competitor. You could have chosen to stay at Marriott but you didn’t you stayed at a competing hotel. Nothing wrong with that there is great reasons for doing that.
If Marriott was to be truly fair, they should count SPG stays after 2016 with Marriott stays and then give status off that. In 2016 SPG was no longer a competitor.
Anyone who has been in the game enough to be sniffing at the LTPP mark has been around for a long time. That means they were going to a competitor for service for a long time, thus Marriott didn’t feel the need to reward them long-term. Thus I can see why Marriott isn’t rewarding the legacy Starwood folks with LTPP, whereas they are recognizing Marriott faithful’s.
Marriott repeatedly said that LT status would be respected when both MR and SPG merged without any mention whatsoever that Marriott would treat its own LTPs differently from SPG members even if those SPG members hit the same milestones (750+ nights and the equivalent of 2MM MR points). That's where, I believe, there is some disaffect among SPG LT members. For years, both MR and SPG members were told that to achieve the highest LT tier, certain conditions had to be met and after meeting those, Marriott assured SPG LT members that their LT status would be transferred to the new, merged program. It was only after the announcement that it became clear that a new top tier would be created and SPG LTPs need not apply (or more accurately, could not apply).
Apr 26, 2018, 9:21 am
#134
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: PHL
Programs: AA Plat, MR AMB + (LTT) , Hertz PC, UA Silver, HH Gold
Posts: 265
I completely agree with your point but Marriott did not say that at all. In fact, Marriott said the exact opposite despite the repeated questions about what would happen to LT status from many SPG members.
Marriott repeatedly said that LT status would be respected when both MR and SPG merged without any mention whatsoever that Marriott would treat its own LTPs differently from SPG members even if those SPG members hit the same milestones (750+ nights and the equivalent of 2MM MR points). That's where, I believe, there is some disaffect among SPG LT members. For years, both MR and SPG members were told that to achieve the highest LT tier, certain conditions had to be met and after meeting those, Marriott assured SPG LT members that their LT status would be transferred to the new, merged program. It was only after the announcement that it became clear that a new top tier would be created and SPG LTPs need not apply (or more accurately, could not apply).
Marriott repeatedly said that LT status would be respected when both MR and SPG merged without any mention whatsoever that Marriott would treat its own LTPs differently from SPG members even if those SPG members hit the same milestones (750+ nights and the equivalent of 2MM MR points). That's where, I believe, there is some disaffect among SPG LT members. For years, both MR and SPG members were told that to achieve the highest LT tier, certain conditions had to be met and after meeting those, Marriott assured SPG LT members that their LT status would be transferred to the new, merged program. It was only after the announcement that it became clear that a new top tier would be created and SPG LTPs need not apply (or more accurately, could not apply).
To be fair, Marriott did honor the SPG LT members. They are being brought in at the highest level that is possible to achieve (LTP). Marriott just gave those who were loyal to Marriott for a long time a grandfather clause into the LTPP, Like i've said previously, rewarding those who didn't go to a competitor for years. No one who had lifetime status before the merger is losing it.
Like I said previosuly, SPG LTP's should be asking for the 2016 stays onward to be combined with marriott stays for LTPP. Because at that point you weren't choosing a competitor.
However I totally get your vitriol on the subject. I've been hitting 120+ nights a year at Marriott for 7 years now. Been a Platinum Premier for the last 3 years. If say hyatt were to buy marriott and then drop me a level, I would be pissed beyond belief also. I would get why they did it, but it wouldn't stop me from complaining also.
Apr 28, 2018, 5:39 am
#135
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 575
I completely understand why everyone is pissed about not getting LTPP. If I were in your shoes I would be livid also. This highlights why if possible try to make status in two chains.
But I understand why Marriott is rewarding its own members over the incoming Starwood folks.
Look at it this way, you stayed 800 nights at a Starwood property. When looking at the stays up until 2016, you were essentially staying at a Marriott Competitor. You could have chosen to stay at Marriott but you didn’t you stayed at a competing hotel. Nothing wrong with that there is great reasons for doing that.
If Marriott was to be truly fair, they should count SPG stays after 2016 with Marriott stays and then give status off that. In 2016 SPG was no longer a competitor.
Anyone who has been in the game enough to be sniffing at the LTPP mark has been around for a long time. That means they were going to a competitor for service for a long time, thus Marriott didn’t feel the need to reward them long-term. Thus I can see why Marriott isn’t rewarding the legacy Starwood folks with LTPP, whereas they are recognizing Marriott faithful’s.
But I understand why Marriott is rewarding its own members over the incoming Starwood folks.
Look at it this way, you stayed 800 nights at a Starwood property. When looking at the stays up until 2016, you were essentially staying at a Marriott Competitor. You could have chosen to stay at Marriott but you didn’t you stayed at a competing hotel. Nothing wrong with that there is great reasons for doing that.
If Marriott was to be truly fair, they should count SPG stays after 2016 with Marriott stays and then give status off that. In 2016 SPG was no longer a competitor.
Anyone who has been in the game enough to be sniffing at the LTPP mark has been around for a long time. That means they were going to a competitor for service for a long time, thus Marriott didn’t feel the need to reward them long-term. Thus I can see why Marriott isn’t rewarding the legacy Starwood folks with LTPP, whereas they are recognizing Marriott faithful’s.