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Hotel Name:
Arrival Date:
Departure Date:
Number of Rooms:
Number of Guests:
Room Type:
Starwood Brand Web Site Room Rate:
Competing Rate:
Competing Web Site:

Comments:

FAQ

What is the Best Rate Guarantee (BRG)?

If a lower rate at an SPG Hotel is made available on a non-SPG website or non-SPG mobile application, upon its receipt of a claim that satisfies these Best Rate Guarantee terms and conditions, SPG will honor that Competing Rate and provide the individual that submitted the valid claim one of the following rewards: (1) an additional 25% discount off the Competing Rate (20% for Design Hotels) per room per night (up to a maximum of three rooms); or (2) 2,000 Starwood Preferred Guest® Starpoints® per room per stay (up to a maximum of three rooms).

What should I do if my claim is successful?
  • Re-confirm your rate at check-in; normally the hotel will have the correct BRG rate in your reservation, but sometimes you will need to remind them.
  • If you choose points, they will be credited after the stay; check in one week to see if they have posted. If they have not posted, then contacted the BRG team to get it posted.
Are SPG benefits honored for BRG stays?

Yes. You should receive the same SPG elite member benefits and stay/night credit as for a normal paid stay.

How do I view my reservation after my BRG has been approved?
  • Log into your SPG account.
  • Click on your stays to view your current reservation.
  • Click on "Set Stay Preferences" link for the BRG reservation, then SAVE.
  • Refresh your stays page and the reservation should be visible again. You may need to repeat this step if the hotel touches your reservation. If you apply for Your24, you will not be able to view the reservation details.
How do I add a Suite Night Award (SNA) to a my BRG reservation?
  • Follow the steps as outlined under: How do I view my reservation after my BRG has been approved?
  • At the end of this process, you should be able to select "Apply SNA to this Stay" from within your stays page.
GUIDELINES FOR A SUCCESSFUL CLAIM

• You cannot BRG against a rate on a Starwood Website/App (hot escapes, promos, Gov. Rate etc.). It has to be a 3rd party website/App.

• The rate you submit the BRG against must be a rate that is available to the general public
• Cancellation/Deposit Policies and amenities must match on both websites to be valid

A valid Starwood website reservation is required to submit a BRG

• If a room category is available on an external website but not on Starwood, you may still make a claim. You still need to make a booking with Starwood using the next lowest category of room and must include the cancel/deposit polices and amenities you are wanting- if your claim is approved the room type in the booking will remain what is booked.


• Only one claim may be submitted per reservation number (If your first claim is denied, you may submit a new claim for that reservation if you find another lower rate after you receive the denial email)

• You must book and submit a claim for the room type, cancel policy, deposit policy and amenities you are comparing. If you a flexible rate on SPG.com, they will look for a flexible rate when processing your claim, even if a lower rate for non-cancellable is available.
• You cannot BRG with a flexible rate against a prepaid rate. All information must be the same on both websites and the claim will be denied.

• If your comparable rate includes extras like breakfast or parking, make sure there is a room available on spg.com that includes the exact amenities. If there is no room available with the same amenities, it will be denied.

• Room types must be the same for a BRG.

• If you are booking and comparing rates for a non-refundable booking, note that you are responsible for any and all charges including cancellation charges, even if the claim is not approved

• If you have an approved and finalized claim and you find an even cheaper rate later, then you may submit a new BRG claim that is not connected to any existing reservation. If this BRG claim is approved, you will need to make a new reservation on SPG.com. Once the process is completed, you will then email the BRG desk to cancel your first reservation, if it is within the cancellation deadline.

• The cancel policy of an approved claim will be the same as what was booked and approved. It will no longer default to flexible.

• If you find availability for the room type you want on a third party website/app but there is no availability for that room type on the Starwood Website, then this may be an approved claim if it meets all other terms and conditions. You will need to make sure that you specify the room type you actually want on the Starwood Website section and enter 0 in the rate and currency. This will ensure that the processing associates know that the room type you want is not available on the Starwood Website. You may also add additional comments near the end of the claim form indicating that there is no availability on the Starwood Website for that room type to help clarify.

• If you find availability on a third party website/app but there is no availability on the Starwood Website, then this claim cannot be submitted as you must have a valid reservation to submit a claim. If it is submitted somehow without a reservation, the claim will not be processed as a valid Starwood reservation is required.

• Per the FAQ, "Any questions regarding claims should be directed to [email protected] or call 1-866-500-0368." A human is available at this number beginning at 9am EST.

OTAs not eligible because they do not confirm instantly:
  • AsiaWeb
  • BestDay
  • Cancelon
  • Ctrip (Known as MyTrip from Dec 2017)
  • Elvoline
  • HappyRooms
  • Hoteling
  • Hotelreservierung.de (according to BRG team 5 Sept 2017)
  • HotelsClick (Some rates on request, some instant)
  • Ostrovok
  • Roomertravel
  • Laterooms (according to BRG team 24 Oct 2016)
  • Hotelius (according to BRG team 21 Sept 2017)
  • Zenhotels (according to BRG team 10 Nov 2017)
  • Travelbag (according to BRG team 22 Dec 2017)


Special Conditions for BRG & Design Hotels
  • You may only claim against the absolute lowest rate on SPG.com, for the date(s) in question.
  • The rate must be the lowest on sale on SPG.com, and is regardless of the type of room you actually want, the number of occupants, cancellation policy and the amenities provided. In all likelihood this will mean you have to use a rate for a standard room, for 1 person, non-refundable and without any amenities.
  • It is not necessary for the rate on the external website to match the SPG.com rate in any way including room type and number of occupants. The only requirement for a successful BRG claim is that the rate be lower than the lowest rate on SPG.com for the date(s) in question.
  • As with normal BRG claims, you need to make a booking before submitting a claim but it must be the lowest rate for the hotel and dates. Since this will likely be a non-refundable booking, note that you are responsible for any and all charges including cancellation charges, even if the claim is not approved.
  • Amenities are not included in the comparasin
  • You will retain the category of room booked on SPG.com, even if the external website rate submitted for the claim refers to a different category of room. This is especially pertinent in situations where the hotel continues to sell lower categories of rooms on other websites, while not making them available on SPG.com. You will then be able to book a higher category of room on SPG.com, BRG the lower rate, and retain the higher category of room while paying the lower rate.
  • If you need to BRG Design Hotels for Double or higher occupancy.
    • The BRG will be processed for a single occupant, even if the rate does not change for more than one occupant. You must book the actual number of occupants intended. Effectively, you can only BRG for single occupant unless double rate happens to be the same as single. It is not possible to BRG if double rate is higher than single. No modification to occupancy is allowed if BRG is approved. If you submit with single rate, you will be stuck with single room; if you submit with double rate and single rate is lower, it will be automatically denied irrespective of competing rates.

Differing currencies

Marriott may deny claims where the difference between the comparison rate and the Marriott rate is less than $1. Rate disparities primarily attributable to fluctuations and/or differences in currency exchange rates are excluded from the guarantee.

Link to T&C
https://www.starwoodhotels.com/bestrate/terms.html
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 4:52 am
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Originally Posted by jpdx
I just got two rejections for this reason. This is ridiculous! So their assertion is that a "total" price listed by a competing site isn't really total unless it specifically spells out that taxes/service charge are included? If you book an all-in rate with an OTA, there's no way the hotel would collect an extra 10% service charge upon arrival. In many cases, they don't even know how much you paid. Imagine what Tripadvisor would look like if this was an actual hotel practice ... "They asked me to pay an extra $200 in phony 'service charge' even though I already prepaid my TA. DON'T STAY HERE."

Most sites will have something generic in their terms that "additional fees/taxes may be collected by the hotel," but of course this refers to resort fees/city taxes (Kurtaxe, etc). Rejecting claims for this phony reason (or reducing the BRG discount by the phony additional taxes) turns the BRG into a scam!
If it is an European OTA, depending on jurisdiction, and if the OTA is the one selling the room and not just a booking agent (ie, you pay directly to them and they send you a voucher for the property) it may be legally required to levy VAT on the rate, a tax you would not incur when booking directly with the property or through Marriott.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 6:08 am
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Originally Posted by DaveMidknight
Unfortunately, this is a sign of things to come. There are whole threads over this tax problem in the Marriott forum and Marriott sticks to their view regarding taxes.

Your quote from Marriott is just a copy-paste text, were they change the hotel name. As I got the same exact text for at least a year, if not longer.
very unfortunate....specially since i know for a fact that there is no vat included in the rate....

Originally Posted by jpdx
I just got two rejections for this reason. This is ridiculous! So their assertion is that a "total" price listed by a competing site isn't really total unless it specifically spells out that taxes/service charge are included? If you book an all-in rate with an OTA, there's no way the hotel would collect an extra 10% service charge upon arrival. In many cases, they don't even know how much you paid. Imagine what Tripadvisor would look like if this was an actual hotel practice ... "They asked me to pay an extra $200 in phony 'service charge' even though I already prepaid my TA. DON'T STAY HERE."

Most sites will have something generic in their terms that "additional fees/taxes may be collected by the hotel," but of course this refers to resort fees/city taxes (Kurtaxe, etc). Rejecting claims for this phony reason (or reducing the BRG discount by the phony additional taxes) turns the BRG into a scam!
so far i'm not impressed with lnf at all....i was hoping they would take a page out of spg's book but it seems like brg/lnf (or whatever they are going to call it going forward) is going to keep getting tougher & tougher....

Originally Posted by M.dA.R.
If it is an European OTA, depending on jurisdiction, and if the OTA is the one selling the room and not just a booking agent (ie, you pay directly to them and they send you a voucher for the property) it may be legally required to levy VAT on the rate, a tax you would not incur when booking directly with the property or through Marriott.
agreed....but in those cases the website always states that local taxes & fees will be collected at the hotel....with this website the final booking page clearly states that the room rate is inclusive of all taxes....
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 6:17 am
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Hotel Name: Aloft Chicago City Centre
Arrival Date: 16th November 2018
Departure Date: 21st November 2018
Number of Rooms: 3
Number of Guests: 2 per room
Room Type: Aloft room with 2x Queen Beds
Starwood Brand Web Site Room Rate: $145 excl. tax
Competing Rate: Ł108 incl. tax
Competing Web Site: kayak.co.uk
Actual Approved Rate: $88.03 excl. tax
BRG Reward: 25% off
Comments: First claim I put through using booking.com was rejected as they were seeing a different rate to me. Second claim using kayak.co.uk was successful and was around a 24 hour turnaround. Used flexible rates for comparison.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 6:40 am
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What will happen after this weekend? Does BRG merge into LNF?
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 6:49 am
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What will happen after this weekend? Does BRG merge into LNF?
lets hope not....
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by Keyser
lets hope not....
I hope not either. But BRG reward is 2,000 Starpoints which is equivalent to 6,000 Marriott points; LNF reward is 5,000 points. One of them has to change, amongst other things.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 12:19 pm
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I hope not either. But BRG reward is 2,000 Starpoints which is equivalent to 6,000 Marriott points; LNF reward is 5,000 points. One of them has to change, amongst other things.
I'm sure you know what the answer will be

I too am facing issues with LNF regarding the "taxes" which were not specified by the OTA. I got a rather interesting reply from LNF after an appeal. This is the last sentence, in a paragraph by itself. It was only missing CAPS and appropriate bolding:

" The decision on your claim stands as denied ".

Wow. I can just hear the sound of the gavel thundering through the room... never in all my rejections from BRG have I come across such a reponse.

New days ahead, for sure.
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Old Aug 16, 2018, 3:44 pm
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What will happen after this weekend? Does BRG merge into LNF?
Hopefully it will. Sick and tired of the BRG Desk’s incompetence and ineffectiveness.
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Old Aug 17, 2018, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by M.dA.R.
Hopefully it will. Sick and tired of the BRG Desk’s incompetence and ineffectiveness.
even with their incompetence & ineffectiveness, they are far superior to marriott's lnf team....
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Old Aug 17, 2018, 8:48 am
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The incompetence only started when Marriott starts to integrate their terms and change how the original brg work.
Prior to that, the brg staff has been wonderful.

To be fair LNF has been very good as well but their insistence about European and Middle East ota sites not including service charge show that they can be rather stubborn about it. It's obviously inaccurate but they still insist on their incorrect stance.
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Old Aug 17, 2018, 9:07 am
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Hotel Name: Sheraton Miyako Hotel Osaka
Arrival Date:31/08/2018
Departure Date: 1/09/2018
Number of Rooms: 1
Number of Guests: 1 per room
Room Type: Premier city view room (Single Bad) without breakfast
Starwood Brand Web Site Room Rate: JPY13300.00 incl. tax
Competing Rate: JPY13000.00 incl.tax
Competing Web Site: Agoda.com.hk
Actual Approved Rate: JPY 9750 incl.tax
BRG Reward: 25% off
Comments: I discovered this rate at midnight 17/08/18 and send BRG claim form 1 or 2 hours before the office hours. They reply me at 14:04. I guess timing is the key when you send the claim form. But this may suit in China only.
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Old Aug 17, 2018, 10:29 am
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I am still waiting for almost 4 days, 3x BRG (German language)... Was in hope they will make it faster as the merging is coming soon...but no.

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Old Aug 17, 2018, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by Keyser
even with their incompetence & ineffectiveness, they are far superior to marriott's lnf team....
You have right but it was and now this sentence is not true. From 1.5 month I don't make any BRG claim I care about my nervous system.
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Old Aug 17, 2018, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by HHQX888
You have right but it was and now this sentence is not true. From 1.5 month I don't make any BRG claim I care about my nervous system.
its gotten difficult but i'm still having luck with a good percentage of my brg claims....
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Old Aug 18, 2018, 2:07 am
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Since it's more difficult since May to claim BRG for flexible bookings, for the first time ever I tried a BRG on a non-flexible reservation. Normally I book flexible rates a long time in advance, but this time around my stay is only in two weeks' time so I did not mind a pre-paid rate too much, the SPG.com rate I found was half decent and I was willing to pay this price if BRG failed. Surprise surprise, my BRG was approved so even better! I used English for the BRG request because I think response times are better in English than especially German, and got a reply after 14 hours ^
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