Europe hotels that accommodate 4 on points
Dec 18, 2017, 7:55 pm
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Europe hotels that accommodate 4 on points
Does anyone know of any SPG hotels that can accommodate 4 people to one room and be able to pay for that room with points only?
There are very few rooms that aren't outrageously priced in Europe that accommodate 4, nevertheless not need to pay a cash upgrade.
The only one I've found so far is a Marriott hotel, Domes of Elounda in Crete. Everything else is either not bookable with points (and thus an insanely priced penthouse or equivalent) or requires a cash upgrade on top of points.
I'm curious about all of Europe but specifically France and Italy.
TIA
Edit: The reason I need 4 is because in Europe my 2 infants count towards room occupancy limits. The 4 are myself, wife and 2 infants.
There are very few rooms that aren't outrageously priced in Europe that accommodate 4, nevertheless not need to pay a cash upgrade.
The only one I've found so far is a Marriott hotel, Domes of Elounda in Crete. Everything else is either not bookable with points (and thus an insanely priced penthouse or equivalent) or requires a cash upgrade on top of points.
I'm curious about all of Europe but specifically France and Italy.
TIA
Edit: The reason I need 4 is because in Europe my 2 infants count towards room occupancy limits. The 4 are myself, wife and 2 infants.
Last edited by ennsy; Dec 19, 2017 at 8:56 am
Dec 19, 2017, 5:04 am
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Straight from the SPG Terms and Conditions:
3.2 Rooms at Hotels. An SPG Member may redeem Starpoints for single or double occupancy rooms at SPG Participating Hotels and SPG Partner Hotels including, without limitation, for Free Night Awards.
One needs to call to book above Standard rooms classes for SPG awards, ie. suites. Even a suite award, though, is for double occupancy and the hotel can charge for extra guests. If guests 3 and 4 are young children maybe the fee will be waived.
3.2 Rooms at Hotels. An SPG Member may redeem Starpoints for single or double occupancy rooms at SPG Participating Hotels and SPG Partner Hotels including, without limitation, for Free Night Awards.
One needs to call to book above Standard rooms classes for SPG awards, ie. suites. Even a suite award, though, is for double occupancy and the hotel can charge for extra guests. If guests 3 and 4 are young children maybe the fee will be waived.
Dec 19, 2017, 7:37 am
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I've stayed easily 100+ nights with 2 adults and 2 children on awards, so the idea that only 2 humans can stay in a room on an award is false.
Europe is much more challenging, as fire codes and space limitations are a bigger restriction than SPG award limitations. With 2 small children, who are willing to share a twin/double bed, you might find something. As my kids got older we always got 2 rooms outside of NA. There may be suite options, but I recall those were rare and more expensive than 2 rooms.
There are other threads on this exact topic - you may want to search and read previous collective wisdom.
How to Maximize Family Friendly Hotel Rooms With SPG
How to Book Starwood Award Nights For More Than Two People
How to Use Points and Have Your Family Stay in One Room in Europe
The system does not currently support adding children as free extras to award reservations. Hopefully, that will cleared up later this year.
Until then, you can call/chat with the customer contact center to add children according to the child policy of the hotel in question and the limitation of the number of people allowed in the room you selected.
Until then, you can call/chat with the customer contact center to add children according to the child policy of the hotel in question and the limitation of the number of people allowed in the room you selected.
Europe is much more challenging, as fire codes and space limitations are a bigger restriction than SPG award limitations. With 2 small children, who are willing to share a twin/double bed, you might find something. As my kids got older we always got 2 rooms outside of NA. There may be suite options, but I recall those were rare and more expensive than 2 rooms.
There are other threads on this exact topic - you may want to search and read previous collective wisdom.
How to Maximize Family Friendly Hotel Rooms With SPG
How to Book Starwood Award Nights For More Than Two People
How to Use Points and Have Your Family Stay in One Room in Europe
Last edited by CPRich; Dec 19, 2017 at 7:42 am
Dec 19, 2017, 8:54 am
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Straight from the SPG Terms and Conditions:
3.2 Rooms at Hotels. An SPG Member may redeem Starpoints for single or double occupancy rooms at SPG Participating Hotels and SPG Partner Hotels including, without limitation, for Free Night Awards.
One needs to call to book above Standard rooms classes for SPG awards, ie. suites. Even a suite award, though, is for double occupancy and the hotel can charge for extra guests. If guests 3 and 4 are young children maybe the fee will be waived.
3.2 Rooms at Hotels. An SPG Member may redeem Starpoints for single or double occupancy rooms at SPG Participating Hotels and SPG Partner Hotels including, without limitation, for Free Night Awards.
One needs to call to book above Standard rooms classes for SPG awards, ie. suites. Even a suite award, though, is for double occupancy and the hotel can charge for extra guests. If guests 3 and 4 are young children maybe the fee will be waived.
Dec 19, 2017, 8:55 am
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I've stayed easily 100+ nights with 2 adults and 2 children on awards, so the idea that only 2 humans can stay in a room on an award is false.
Europe is much more challenging, as fire codes and space limitations are a bigger restriction than SPG award limitations. With 2 small children, who are willing to share a twin/double bed, you might find something. As my kids got older we always got 2 rooms outside of NA. There may be suite options, but I recall those were rare and more expensive than 2 rooms.
There are other threads on this exact topic - you may want to search and read previous collective wisdom.
How to Maximize Family Friendly Hotel Rooms With SPG
How to Book Starwood Award Nights For More Than Two People
How to Use Points and Have Your Family Stay in One Room in Europe
I've stayed easily 100+ nights with 2 adults and 2 children on awards, so the idea that only 2 humans can stay in a room on an award is false.
Europe is much more challenging, as fire codes and space limitations are a bigger restriction than SPG award limitations. With 2 small children, who are willing to share a twin/double bed, you might find something. As my kids got older we always got 2 rooms outside of NA. There may be suite options, but I recall those were rare and more expensive than 2 rooms.
There are other threads on this exact topic - you may want to search and read previous collective wisdom.
How to Maximize Family Friendly Hotel Rooms With SPG
How to Book Starwood Award Nights For More Than Two People
How to Use Points and Have Your Family Stay in One Room in Europe
Last edited by ennsy; Dec 19, 2017 at 10:20 am
Dec 19, 2017, 11:09 am
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This property has studios that might be perfect for your family.
There are several Four Points in Italy; may have similar room set-ups/
Serviced Apartments Munich Four Points Munich Central
Dec 19, 2017, 12:14 pm
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One example: FOUR POINTS BY SHERATON MUNICH
This property has studios that might be perfect for your family.
There are several Four Points in Italy; may have similar room set-ups/
Serviced Apartments Munich Four Points Munich Central
This property has studios that might be perfect for your family.
There are several Four Points in Italy; may have similar room set-ups/
Serviced Apartments Munich Four Points Munich Central
Dec 19, 2017, 3:09 pm
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At this age (up to 3 years) my 2 boys have been staying with the parents in one room at more than 40 SPG hotels all over Europe, from Poland to Spain, from Greece to UK, from Germany to Malta. It has never caused a Problem even though I mostly did not even bother to include them into the booking and just requested a crib and/or child bed.
Dec 19, 2017, 4:09 pm
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At this age (up to 3 years) my 2 boys have been staying with the parents in one room at more than 40 SPG hotels all over Europe, from Poland to Spain, from Greece to UK, from Germany to Malta. It has never caused a Problem even though I mostly did not even bother to include them into the booking and just requested a crib and/or child bed.
Dec 20, 2017, 6:42 am
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The request went into the "comments" field at time of booking. Sometimes I booked 2 adults, sometimes 2 adults1 child and very rarely 2 adults and 2 children. Reason is that the SPG booking engine often does not allow to book the children also into the room even if the hotel policy allows on having them with you. And no, never ever a single issue. Of course I never went so far to book at a hotel with 16 square meter standard rooms. That would probably be asking for trouble.
Dec 20, 2017, 6:48 am
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and you have asked about award (no cash) upgrades up to SU4 ?
Dec 20, 2017, 8:58 am
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Whatever you do, do not simply show up with 4 people, having booked for 2. The fact that every other property in the world may have done this for you, does not mean that this one will. The fact that this property did it for you last week, does not mean that this front desk clerk will.
You seem price conscious and there is no better way to run a budget way over than to be told that you must pay the rack rate for a larger room (or worse, that there are none available).
As others note, these things are often related to local fire codes in Europe and thus enforced.
You seem price conscious and there is no better way to run a budget way over than to be told that you must pay the rack rate for a larger room (or worse, that there are none available).
As others note, these things are often related to local fire codes in Europe and thus enforced.
Dec 20, 2017, 11:22 am
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Dec 20, 2017, 11:23 am
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Dec 21, 2017, 10:52 am
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SU4 = highest suite award booking booked through SPG customer service, cant be seen online
not sure how many hotels do or do not offer, not going to be common at lower level brands
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/star...ml#post6854909
SPG - room
SPG S / SPG SS - upgraded room
SPG SU - suite
SPG SU2 / SPG SU3 / SPG SU4 - upgraded suite
occasionally there might be resort type properties where rooms are in small buildings, and can end up guaranteeing connecting/adjoining rooms because there is only 1 room each in 2 different categories
not sure how many hotels do or do not offer, not going to be common at lower level brands
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/star...ml#post6854909
SPG - room
SPG S / SPG SS - upgraded room
SPG SU - suite
SPG SU2 / SPG SU3 / SPG SU4 - upgraded suite
occasionally there might be resort type properties where rooms are in small buildings, and can end up guaranteeing connecting/adjoining rooms because there is only 1 room each in 2 different categories