Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Discontinued Programs/Partners > Starwood | Starwood Preferred Guest
Reload this Page >

Confused: I thought the Athens King George and Grande Bretagne were Starwood owned?

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Confused: I thought the Athens King George and Grande Bretagne were Starwood owned?

 
Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 27, 2017, 5:54 am
  #1  
Original Poster
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 8,964
Confused: I thought the Athens King George and Grande Bretagne were Starwood owned?

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2017...psa-sa-hotels/
david55 is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 6:07 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Programs: DL 1 million, AA 1 mil, HH lapsed Diamond, Marriott Plat
Posts: 28,190
Ownership, management, and branding are very separate things. That's the way it's been since major chains started working an asset-light strategy.
3Cforme is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 7:12 am
  #3  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Programs: UA-1k, 1mm, Marriott-LT Platinum, Hertz-Presidents Circle
Posts: 6,355
I know Starwood owns very few of the SPG portfolio. No reason to take on the risk.
schley is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 8:51 am
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,482
Originally Posted by schley
I know Starwood owns very few of the SPG portfolio. No reason to take on the risk.
As Marriott doesn't own any of its managed properties, this trend will likely continue. i.e. few currently Starwood owned properties will be sold off soon.
TerryK is online now  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 9:40 am
  #5  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,403
Unless I specifically know otherwise, I assume that all chain hotels are only either franchised or managed by the chain and actually owned by some other entity. However, it can be hard to actually ascertain the ownership. For example, when I try to google something like "hotels in [state] owned by [ownership entity]", for the purpose of either booking or avoiding hotels owned by particular organizations, I generally just get a list of the major hotels, including many that I know are owned by someone else. You have to go to the owner entity's website and look for a list of the properties they own, which might or might not be out-of-date.

I wish Starriot, Hyatt, Hilton, etc. would require a statement of ownership on each hotel's official website.
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 9:47 am
  #6  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,482
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
....I wish Starriot, Hyatt, Hilton, etc. would require a statement of ownership on each hotel's official website.
Many countries or states require disclosure as such. You can often see a plaque displaying actual owner/operator of the property although sometime it is in an out of the way place.
TerryK is online now  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 10:50 am
  #7  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,403
Originally Posted by TerryK
Many countries or states require disclosure as such. You can often see a plaque displaying actual owner/operator of the property although sometime it is in an out of the way place.
I want to know before arriving at the hotel (and in fact before making a reservation).
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 2:05 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 932
According to Starwood's 2015 annual report, the most recent I could find online, they only owned 32 properties, and they had sold 6 the previous year.

I found this list of owned properties dating back to 2013, so I'm sure some are long since sold:

https://s1.q4cdn.com/483583335/files...0-%20Final.pdf
James Luckard is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 3:21 pm
  #9  
Moderator: British Airways Executive Club, Marriott Bonvoy
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Englandshire
Programs: SPG LT Plat, BA G, BD*LG, MG Blue+ ...
Posts: 16,031
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
I want to know before arriving at the hotel (and in fact before making a reservation).
Why ?

What does a guest do differently before making a reservation and before arriving at the hotel when they know who owns it ?
margarita girl likes this.
Oxon Flyer is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 5:37 pm
  #10  
Original Poster
Marriott Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island, WA
Posts: 8,964
Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer
Why ?

What does a guest do differently before making a reservation and before arriving at the hotel when they know who owns it ?
Perhaps not book it. I would want to know the owners mostly for political correctness reasons. ie.. I would never stay at a Trump owned hotel....or whose owner is known to discriminate against gays or minorities.
david55 is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 6:19 pm
  #11  
Hilton Contributor BadgeHyatt Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the air
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Bonvoy LT Plat, Hilton Gold, GHA Tit, BA Gold, Turkish Elite
Posts: 8,717
The Grande Bretagne and the King George are owned by Lampsa Hellenic Hotels - originally founded by one of the people behind the Grande Bretagne and which I would expect would still be largely family controlled. I haven't done a full DD on its shareholders though!
EuropeanPete is online now  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 6:55 pm
  #12  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,403
Originally Posted by Oxon Flyer
Why ?

What does a guest do differently before making a reservation and before arriving at the hotel when they know who owns it ?
There are some ownership groups that are notoriously bad and I would like to avoid their hotels. Others are very good; I consider this a positive signal for a hotel which with I am unfamiliar or when I am choosing between several hotels in approximately the same location.
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 7:13 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Bangkok, Thailand. No longer Palm Coast, FL though still exiled, again, from the Bay Area.
Programs: Only the good ones
Posts: 5,153
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
There are some ownership groups that are notoriously bad and I would like to avoid their hotels. Others are very good; I consider this a positive signal for a hotel which with I am unfamiliar or when I am choosing between several hotels in approximately the same location.
Many hotels are owned in REIT's, so you could check those records also. It's funny that the Starwood REIT (symbol STWD) isn't actually SPG, but rather commercial buildings and mortgages. I believe that Marriott started this when they spun off Host and their properties.
rbAA is offline  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 7:39 pm
  #14  
Hilton Contributor BadgeHyatt Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: In the air
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Bonvoy LT Plat, Hilton Gold, GHA Tit, BA Gold, Turkish Elite
Posts: 8,717
These hotels are credible contenders for best run Starwood Hotels in Europe, so I think you’re good on that front.
EuropeanPete is online now  
Old Nov 27, 2017, 8:46 pm
  #15  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,482
Originally Posted by rbAA
...........Starwood REIT (symbol STWD) isn't actually SPG, but rather commercial buildings and mortgages.......
Starwood REIT is run by Starwood Capital which is completely separate from Starwood Hotels.
TerryK is online now  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.