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Old Aug 22, 2002, 12:27 pm
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Ten single malts in one sitting...I can feel my liver burping and gurgling now.

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Bowmore and Balvenie are two extremes worth trying (reasonable price and easy to find in the US). Quite a contrast in flavour and while not the finest single malts, they are well worth trying (Bowmore is salty and Balvenie is sweet). But I still like Glenmorangie Madeira wood finish best (the other Glenmorangies are nice too but there is something about the madeira barrels ...).
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number6 - if you're a Balvenie fan, have you tried the 12 yr old Balvenie Doublewood? It's my favourite over the 10 and 15 year old varieties.

Sounds like we have a few malt appreciaters on this board...
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I was contacted by Mr. Mark Ancrum, the Operations Manager of the resort, who recently saw our comments about single malts. He thought everyone might want a idea of what is available. Regrettably, I'm unable to reproduce the format here as it was sent to me, but here goes:

"We trust you will enjoy the fine selection of Malts, some rare, from all Malt producing regions of Scotland.

Our full selection of over 135 malts is available in the Whisky Bar, situated between Reception and the Turnberry Restaurant, a delightful venue to while away the time into the early hours with great company and a great Havana Cigar. A smaller selection is available in the Ailsa Bar, The Terrace Brasserie & Tappie Toorie at the Clubhouse.

There are several books and almanacs available in the Whisky Bar for you to pursue further reading and copies for you to purchase in the Gift Shop.

For those of you from the other Gaelic nation, there is a smaller but equally nice selection of Irish Malts to be compared.

Our selection follows a route starting with the Malts closest to Turnberry - those from the Lowlands, Islands, Islay and Campbeltown; and finishing with the Highlands & Speyside

Most of the malts are available by the full bottle, for sale to you in your room. Please ask for a Full Bottle Pricelist.


“There is no cure for the night when you have one too many, except for an early rise, a hearty cooked breakfast and a round of golf.”



ISLAY

Of all Scotland’s malts the Islays are probably the most easily recognised. There are however some surprises within a selection that are traditionally the heaviest and most pungent available.

During the 18th & 19th centuries, the islanders supplied a local market from stills, both legal and illegal, which were operated from farmyards, bothies on the bleak moors above Port Helen and in remote caves along the coast of the Oa.

Islay had three major assets in their malt development – a ready source of barley (bere), inexhaustible supplies of peat and burns running brim-full of soft water.

It is impossible to visit Islay and not notice the peat. This fuel was the only means by which the islanders could dry their grain – as the grain dried in the fumes, the peat imparted to the barley a highly distinctive character which manifested itself when the spirit was finally distilled.
These characteristics are still evident in Islays malts today.


Ardbeg 30 y.o. Very Old 40.0% twenty-nine pounds
Ardbeg, 1978 40.0% ten pounds
Ardbeg 10 y.o. 46.0% seven pounds

Ardbeg malts develop a lovely peaty aroma with a hint of sweetness. The water sources are the lochs Arinambeast and Uigedale. Full-bodied and luscious with an excellent aftertaste, a great after-dinner malt.

Bowmore 1957 40.1% one hundred & forty pounds
Bowmore 25 y.o. 43.0% thirty-two pounds fifty
Bowmore 21 y.o. 43.0% sixteen pounds
Bowmore 17 y.o. 43.0% ten pounds
Bowmore 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds

Distilling since 1770, this is a light, peaty-smoky malt; a healthy middle-range Islay with medium weight and a smooth finish. Older vintages are outstanding. The water source is the River Laggan.

Bruichladdich, 25 y.o. Stillmans Dram eighteen pounds
Bruichladdich 1969 Cask Strength seventeen pounds
Bruichladdich 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty

Bruichladdich is a great pre-dinner dram and an excellent introduction to the Islay style. A light to medium body and a good hint of smoke leaves a pleasant lingering flavour. The water source is from the local hills above Port Charlotte.

Bunnahabhain, 1963 43.0% twenty-eight pounds
Bunnahabhain, 1968 40.0% twenty-four pounds
Bunnahabhain 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds fifty

Pronounced Boo-na-ha-venn, and produced with water sourced from local springs, this has a pronounced character with a flowery aroma. It is not reminiscent of the traditional Islay style, but has a lovely round flavour nonetheless.

Caol Ila 15 year old 43.0% nine pounds

Pronounced Koal-eela, this is light & fresh with a hint of peat. A lighter Islay with pleasing weight, round flavour & a smooth finish. A popular after-dinner dram, water sourced from Loch Nam Ban and a distillery spectacularly situated on the Sound of Islay.

Lagavulin 16 y.o. 43.0% nine pounds

(Lagga-voolin) A typical Islay – heavy, powerful aroma. Unmistakable. Water sourced from the Solum Lochs, this is quite heavy and very full with a delightful hint of sweetness. A gentle giant of a dram.

Laphroaig 15 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds fifty
Laphroaig 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds

(La-froyg). Well balanced, peaty & smoky. Full of character, a big peaty Islay flavour with a delightful touch of sweetness that betrays it’s proximity to the sea. An excellent after-dinner malt with water drawn from local mosses.

Port Ellen 20 y.o. 60.9% sixteen pounds

A hint of peat with a delicate bouquet. Light for an Islay and missing much of that peaty character, water is sourced from the Leorin lochs. A dry finish and a very popular pre-dinner dram, this distillery is currently not in production. One of the pioneers of direct malt exports to the Americas since 1840’s.


CAMPBELTOWN

In the middle of last century there was only one place that could lay claim to being Scotland’s Whisky capital – Campbeltown.

Situated on the lee shore of the Mull of Kintyre, and on the road to Machrihanish Golf Course, this town was literally awash with distillate a hundred years ago.

When Alfred Barnard compiled “The Whisky Distilleries of the United Kingdom” in 1866 he found no less than 21 distilleries in and around the town.
These were Hazelburn (established 1836), Springbank (1828), Dalintober (1832), Benmore (1868), Ardlussa (1879), Dalaruan (1824), Lochead (1824), Glen Nevis (1877), Kinloch (1823), Burnside (1825), Glengyle (1873), Lochruan (1835), Albyn (1830), Scotia (1832), Rielachan (18825), Glenside (1830), Longrow (1824), Kintyre (c1826), Campbeltown (1815), Argyll (1844) and Springside (1830)


Springbank 50 y.o. Ltd. Edition 40.5% two hundred & ninety pounds
Springbank 45 y.o. Ltd. Edition 40.1% two hundred & thirty pounds
Springbank 40 y.o. Ltd. Edition 40.1% two hundred & ten pounds
Springbank 35 y.o. Ltd. Edition 46.0% sixty-five pounds
Springbank 30 y.o. Ltd. Edition 46.0% thirty-nine pounds
Springbank 25 y.o. Ltd. Edition 46.0% thirty-nine pounds
Springbank 21 y.o. 46.0% sixteen pounds

Particularly rare, with a positive, rich aroma & a slight sweetness. Well balanced, full of charm, a malt drinker’s dream and a superb after-dinner drink.

The ultimate connoisseurs Malt flight – a vertical tasting of one single nip each of Springbank 50 y.o. 45 y.o. 40 y.o. 35 y.o. 30 y.o. & 25 y.o. Limited Edition Malts four hundred & fifty pounds
Includes complimentary four-course dinner for two in the Turnberry Restaurant!

Glen Scotia 14 y.o. 40.0% fourteen pounds

Light for Campbeltown malt. Faint touch of smoke, intense aroma, but still delicate and sweet. A pre-dinner dram, water sourced from Campbeltown loch.

Longrow 10 y.o. 46.0% twelve pounds fifty

An island-peaty medicinal aroma. Well-balanced, with a hint of sweetness, a succulent malty palate and a fine lingering aftertaste. Almost an Islay. Water sourced from Crosshill Loch, a dram for the connoisseur.


THE ISLANDS

Highland Park 1977 Bicentennial 40.0% twenty-eight pounds
Highland Park 25 y.o. 51.5% twenty-six pounds fifty
Highland Park 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds fifty
Isle of Jura 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Talisker 10 y.o. 45.8% seven pounds fifty

LOWLAND
Turnberry Malt 10 y.o. 40% six pounds twenty-five
Our own malt, specially bottled
Auchentoshan 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds twenty-five
Auchentoshan Triple Wood 43.0% eight pounds fifty
Bladnoch 10 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds fifty
Bladnoch 1988 40.0% seven pounds fifty
Glenkinchie 10 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds
Glenkinchie Distillers Edition 86 43.0% nine pounds fifty
Inverleven 1985 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Littlemill 8 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
St Magdelene 19 y.o. 63.8% eighteen pounds

SPEYSIDE
Aberlour 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds twenty-five

Balmenach 12 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds fifty
The Balvenie 15 y.o. 50.4% eight pounds fifty
The Balvenie Double Wood 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds fifty
The Balvenie 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Benriach 10 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds
Benrinnes 15 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds fifty
Benromach 17 y.o. Centenary 43.0% fifteen pounds
Caperdonich 1980 CC 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Cardhu 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds fifty
Coleburn 1972 40.0% twelve pounds
Convalmore 1981 CC 40.0% fourteen pounds
Cragganmore Distillers Edition 84, 40.0% nine pounds fifty
Cragganmore 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds fifty
Dailuaine 1952 (10th Ann.) 49.4% forty-five pounds
Dufftown 15 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds fifty
Glen Albyn 1973, CC 40.0% ten pounds
Glenburgie 1968 40.0% fifteen pounds
Glenburgie 1962 40.0% fifteen pounds
Glendronach 15 y.o. 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Glendullan 12 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds
Glen Elgin 21 y.o. Cask Strength 50.3% fifteen pounds
Glenfarclas 30 y.o. 43.0% sixteen pounds fifty
Glenfarclas 25 y.o. 43.0% thirteen pounds fifty
Glenfarclas 21 y.o. 43.0% eleven pounds
Glenfarclas 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Glenfiddich Cask Strength 51.0% eight pounds fifty
Glenfiddich 12 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Glenfiddich 15 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Glen Grant 1954 40.0% twenty-eight pounds
Glen Grant 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds
Glen Keith 10 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds
Glenlivet 1946 40.0% eighty-five pounds
Glenlivet 1973 Cask Strength 57.2% seventeen pounds
Glenlivet (Smiths) 21 y.o. 40.0% nine pounds fifty
Glenlivet 12 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Glenlossie 10 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds fifty
Glen Mhor 1979 40.0% nine pounds
Glen Rothes 1989 43.0% nine pounds
Glentauchers 1979 40.0% ten pounds
Imperial 1979 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Inchgower 14 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds
Knockando 1990 40.0% seven pounds
Knockando 1987 seven pounds
Knockdhu 12 y.o. six pounds
Linkwood 1939 40.0% ninety-five pounds
Linkwood 1954 40.0% thirty-two pounds
Linkwood 12 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds
Longmorn 1969, Cask Strength 53.8% eighteen pounds fifty
Longmorn 15 y.o. 45.0% eight pounds fifty
Macallan 25 y.o. 40.0% nineteen pounds
Macallan 18 y.o. 43.0% ten pounds fifty
Macallan 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Milton Duff 10 y.o. 40.0% eight pounds
Mortlach 16 y.o. 43.0% nine pounds fifty
Pittyvaich 12 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds
Royal Brackla 1974, CC 40.0% nine pounds fifty
The Singleton of Auchroisk 43.0% six pounds fifty
Speyburn 1974 40.0% twelve pounds
Strathisla 1967 40.0% eighteen pounds
Strathisla 12 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds fifty
Tamdhu no age 40.0% six pounds fifty
Tamnavulin, Stillman's 24 y.o. 45.0% twenty-one pounds
Tamnavulin 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Tomatin 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds

HIGHLANDS
Ardmore 1985 40.0% eight pounds

NORTHERN
Balblair 16 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds fifty
Clynelish 14 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds
Dalmore 12 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Dalwhinnie 15 y.o. 43.0% eight pounds fifty
Glen Ord 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Glenmorangie 18 y.o. 43.0% ten pounds
Glenmorangie Madeira Wood 43.0% seven pounds fifty
Glenmorangie Port Wood 43.0% seven pounds fifty
Glenmorangie Sherry Wood 43.0% seven pounds fifty
Glenmorangie 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Old Pulteney 12 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Teaninch 23 y.o. 57.1% fourteen pounds

EASTERN
Banff 1975 40.0% twelve pounds
Glenesk 1985, CC 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Glen Garioch 21 y.o. 43.0% sixteen pounds
Glenury-Royal 1976, CC 40.0% ten pounds
Old Fettercairn Stillman's Dram 45.0% fourteen pounds
North Port 1981 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Royal Lochnagar Selected Res. 43.0% thirty-seven pounds fifty

SOUTHERN
Aberfeldy 1978 CC 40.0% eight pounds fifty
Blair Athol 12 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds fifty
Deanston 12 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Edradour 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Glengoyne 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Glenturret 18 y.o. 40.0% twelve pounds
Glenturret 15 y.o. 40.0% nine pounds
Tullibardine 10 y.o. 40.0% six pounds fifty
Oban 14 y.o. 43.0% seven pounds fifty

IRISH WHISKEY
Midleton Very Rare 16 y.o. 40.0% twenty-two pounds fifty
Bushmills Malt 10 y.o. 40.0% seven pounds
Bushmills Black Bush Special 40.0% six pounds
Locke's 40.0% six pounds fifty
John Jameson Irish Whiskey 40.0% six pounds
Kilbeggan 40.0% six pounds
Tyrconnell 40.0% six pounds
Connemara 40.0% six pounds


CIGARS

HAVANAS

Bolivar Corona Gigantes Ł 19.50
Bolivar Tubos No. 1 Ł 14.00

Cohiba Esplendidos Ł 29.00
Cohiba Siglo IV Ł 19.00
Cohiba Siglo III Ł 18.00
Cohiba Siglo II Ł 14.00
Cohiba Panatellas Ł 9.00

Cuaba Generosos Ł 10.00

H Upmann Coronas Ł 12.00

Montecristo No. 2 Ł 18.00
Montecristo No. 1 Ł 16.00
Montecristo No. 3 Ł 13.00
Montecristo No. 4 Ł 10.00

Partagas Lusitanias Ł 22.50

Punch Churchills (tubed) Ł 22.50
Punch Petit Coronas Ł 10.00

Romeo Y Julietta Exhibition No. 3 Ł 14.00
Romeo Exhibition No. 4 Ł 13.50


DOMINICAN REPUBLIC

Santa Damiana Torpedos Ł 13.50

CIGARILLOS

Hamlett (Packets of 5) Ł 10.00
Castella Drum Ł 2.50"

Thanks, Mark!

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Old Sep 4, 2002, 1:15 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Starwood Lurker:
I was contacted by Mr. Mark Ancrum, the Operations Manager of the resort, who recently saw our comments about single malts. He thought everyone might want a idea of what is available. Regrettably, I'm unable to reproduce the format here as it was sent to me, but here goes:
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Woowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. What a selection!
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But wow what prices - these are for 25ml measures of 50ml? In any case even for 50ml, charging 7 quid for a Glenmorangie 10yo which costs about twice that for a bottle is quite outrageous!

Macallan 10yo at 6-50 for another comparison: at my club in Hong Kong that costs a fraction under 3 quid, for a generously large measure.
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Quite a selection indeed. I believe they had c. 53 in stock when I was there 3 weeks ago. Prices are high, but I've just witnessed higher: Laguvulin 16 y.o (i.e. standard issue for Laguvulin) was 22Euros per shot at the Danieli, Venice.

Can any hotel beat that for sheer appalling value for money on the whisky front?!

If Mark does indeed read this column, may I pass my thanks to his crew at Turnberry for a superb wedding weekend for us and our 60 or so guests.
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Disappointing stay at Turnberry

I stayed at Turnberry recently with my wife and daughter. We are not golfers but were looking forward to our weekend stay. We left pretty disappointed with the experience.

Check-in was fine but my SPG Gold didn't really seem to do very much (ie didn't even see a newspaper in my room). We stayed in a large room in one of the lodges which was overheated and did not have a working temperature control. Windows open in November meant alternating areas of freezing cold/boiling hot in the room.

The water from the bathtub was brown/green with metal shavings jumping out at us. This persisted even after having the water run for 20 minutes.

Two of our electrical points didn't work, so we had to unplug lamps to make tea.

No one from maintenance seemed to be able to do anything about these problems.

There were no umbrellas in the room which seems a bit of a 'no-brainer' for Scotland in November!

We were overcharged for baby-sitting with bizarre 'transportation fees' that no one had mentioned before check-out.

At breakfast we had to ask two people for toast/coffee. These took about 10 mins to arrive in a 2/3 full dining room.

We gave up waiting for the shuttle service to the main hotel after sitting in our room for near 25 mins (with promises along the lines of 'our driver has just left')

There are plenty more things that put me off but I don't want to whinge. I think that for a resort that trades so much on its reputation, a thorough internal review is in order. I doubt we'll go back anytime soon.
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Did you ask to speak to the GM/AGM whilst there?
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We were pressed for time while we were there but sent him a letter when we got back to London. His reply boiled down 'I'm glad you had an enjoyable stay at Turnberry. Thank you for bringing up a few shortcomings. We will make sure the appropriate people are notified.' I thought this was a useless reply and was about to suggest that, in future, he save his paper rather than send out letters like this.
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Then next step is Customer Services (I sound like William now )

Poor response in any case - pretty amazing too, considering the property.
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The arrival of the brown/green water with metal shavings would have prompted my polite request for a new room.
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I tried. They were fully booked and it was on the Saturday night that we discovered this 'hidden benefit' of the upgraded plumbing. We figured that even if they did have a better room it would be too much of a hassle to move for one day.

Shower was fine. Well, actually, some genius didn't quite finish the sealing job around the bottom of the door, so that it was impossible to have a shower without (a) a huge puddle on the floor, or (b) going through 2 towels to soak it up. Sorry, don't mean to whinge.

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LondonElite, if you have not already spoken to the Customer Care Department, this experience is definitely worthy of filing a formal complaint. It can be done by email through the westin.com web site or by calling the Customer Contact Center nearest you and asking to be transferred to customer service.

I apologize for the experience you had at Turnberry. It is surprising in that we hear so many nice things said about this resort, but I suppose any property is capable of not putting forth their best effort from time to time.

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If it's any consolation, we stayed at Gleneagles last year and had exactly the same problem with brown water coming out of the tap in the bathroom. Maybe a Scottish thing?

Apart from that, however, Glenesagles was wonderful. We were thinking of trying Turnberry in the New Year. Maybe not now.
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