Points + Cash Ever Available?
Mar 9, 2015, 7:12 am
#31
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I've been collecting data on hotel award inventory based on "real world" searches in Hotel Hustle for a few months now. In that period I've recorded:
47,992 results where a room was available for cash covering 1030 different properties.
42,896 had award rooms for points on those same nights covering 1003 properties.
14,465 had C&P awards available covering 696 properties.
C&P is neither always nor never available. It is part of why I built a tool to help find it and alert you should it become available.
If there is a specific property you're curious about let me know and I'll see if I have data on it.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
47,992 results where a room was available for cash covering 1030 different properties.
42,896 had award rooms for points on those same nights covering 1003 properties.
14,465 had C&P awards available covering 696 properties.
C&P is neither always nor never available. It is part of why I built a tool to help find it and alert you should it become available.
If there is a specific property you're curious about let me know and I'll see if I have data on it.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
Mar 9, 2015, 7:13 am
#32
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Mar 9, 2015, 7:32 am
#33
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No C+P
Mar 9, 2015, 8:32 am
#34
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Who's trolling who?
Last edited by reuthermonkey; Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 am
Mar 9, 2015, 9:41 am
#35
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I've been collecting data on hotel award inventory based on "real world" searches in Hotel Hustle for a few months now. In that period I've recorded:
47,992 results where a room was available for cash covering 1030 different properties.
42,896 had award rooms for points on those same nights covering 1003 properties.
14,465 had C&P awards available covering 696 properties.
C&P is neither always nor never available. It is part of why I built a tool to help find it and alert you should it become available.
If there is a specific property you're curious about let me know and I'll see if I have data on it.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
47,992 results where a room was available for cash covering 1030 different properties.
42,896 had award rooms for points on those same nights covering 1003 properties.
14,465 had C&P awards available covering 696 properties.
C&P is neither always nor never available. It is part of why I built a tool to help find it and alert you should it become available.
If there is a specific property you're curious about let me know and I'll see if I have data on it.
n.b. The link above is to my blog or to one which I am a regular contributor. FT rules require that I disclose that in the post.
THis is NOT subjective. This is completely OBJECTIVE....
But the response was as expected.
Mar 9, 2015, 11:49 am
#36
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You asked: "Points + Cash Ever Available?"
Answer: Yes. Apparently in 14,465 of his searches.
You asked: "Why offer it as a feature if none of the properties are ever honoring it?"
Answer: 696 of the 1030 properties polled offer it.
So, is 14,645 > 0 (ie "not ever")? Yes.
Is 696 > 0 (ie "none") ? Yes.
Those are facts, using your own definitions in your OP.
Is your assessment that "none" of the properties "ever" offer C&P absurd? Yes. Does that mean you have to be happy with it? Of course not! Does that mean that everyone who disagrees with you as a troll? Depends on how insecure you are, apparently.
Last edited by reuthermonkey; Mar 9, 2015 at 1:29 pm
Mar 9, 2015, 12:08 pm
#37
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Hahahha.
Thanks for the PMs people. I see now what you are speaking of. And yes, apparently you have to spell things out rather clearly or the literal word is mocked. Its absolutely hysterial.
EDIT: And nice edit...Way to add 2 hours after the fact. Classic George Costanza jerk store move....Yeah, Im the insecure one....HAHAHHAHA
Thanks for the PMs people. I see now what you are speaking of. And yes, apparently you have to spell things out rather clearly or the literal word is mocked. Its absolutely hysterial.
EDIT: And nice edit...Way to add 2 hours after the fact. Classic George Costanza jerk store move....Yeah, Im the insecure one....HAHAHHAHA
Last edited by TheTourVan; Mar 9, 2015 at 4:51 pm
Mar 10, 2015, 2:40 pm
#38
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Location: Austin (TX)
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It adds a level of hassle, but I have had a few properties that I frequent on a somewhat regular basis that have been responsive to a fax to the GM asking about C&P availability...if they have rooms, they have often accommodated the request even though it never appeared on the website for the dates in question.
As to claims of 'I looked and I found plenty...' -the question isn't necessarily whether they EVER have it at a destination but rather whether availability exists when one is traveling and whether it exists at the property one wants to stay at for the trip. As an example, I have had plenty of times that it was available in an outlying area but not downtown...and if I have to deal with cabs or renting a car, it simply isn't viable for that trip. Good example of that was this past week when I had to be in North Texas...I could have gotten a cash and points room somewhere more than 20 miles from where I needed to be. Since I was trying to minimize time driving in the freakish North Texas snow in March, those rooms don't work on a trip like that...
As to claims of 'I looked and I found plenty...' -the question isn't necessarily whether they EVER have it at a destination but rather whether availability exists when one is traveling and whether it exists at the property one wants to stay at for the trip. As an example, I have had plenty of times that it was available in an outlying area but not downtown...and if I have to deal with cabs or renting a car, it simply isn't viable for that trip. Good example of that was this past week when I had to be in North Texas...I could have gotten a cash and points room somewhere more than 20 miles from where I needed to be. Since I was trying to minimize time driving in the freakish North Texas snow in March, those rooms don't work on a trip like that...
Mar 19, 2015, 9:59 pm
#39
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Before it was a no brainer, you go with C&P. Now it's not really the case. In some cases where I found C&P was offered I still went with the cash option because it was such a bad deal. I think the hotels are playing games, they offer it when it's to their advantage (they're offering low rates anyway, and using C&P might lower your payment, but you lose a ton of points for that privilege.)
Just saying, I use to use C&P a lot before the "new C&P", and now even if they are offered it's such a bad deal I don't use it.
Just saying, I use to use C&P a lot before the "new C&P", and now even if they are offered it's such a bad deal I don't use it.