X-ON

yes that is a very good point ... I am actually one of those who after linking accounts stayed at mostly Marriott albeit a lot had to do with the location of a particular property another reason was that in one way or another there would be some sort of joint recognition ...I guess that is what the merged program is supposed to do ... my gripe is still is that given nights and 3*star-points I am (theoretically) LTPP if the current procedure is set in stone I am LTG, (7 Years of PLT) given the dilution of gold ... not much reason to stay at MAR ... not that anybody cares ...

margarita girl

jottoson

I agree

Tommys888

So if I understand correctly, the new loyalty program requires that you get 10 years platinum (in either program) or above and nights of more than 750 nights (combined) to be qualified as LTPP?

yosithezet

No. currently the only way to achieve LTPP is to be LTP with Marriott’s legacy program by the end of 2018.

No new LTPP will be minted after the end of 2018 per currently published details.

jmkclee

Currently SPG LTG. With 562 nights. 5 years Plat (6 by August all years except one were by 50 nights ...and that lone one was 40+) 90k current SPG points. Who knows how many points earned lifetime. Gold since joined in 1999. 413 nights Marriott. 1.75M points Marriott. Gold since whenever the UA status match thing (Rewards Plus?) started, and I think we actually had gold one year prior? While I believe combining both my SPG points and nights with Marriott to make LTPP is a pipe dream (although, I’d gladly transfer over 200k Chase UR points to get to 2M if I knew it would get me LTPP), I do believe we should get LTP (I.e. just as a Marriott LTG would get). Same rational as those arguing that SPG LTP with 750+ nights at SPG should be matched to LTPP. Especially since we meet the points requirement. Fair is fair. Otherwise we won’t be LTP for another 4 years.

I truly think the year thing is much harder than the night or point thing. Sure, we got nights via award nights counting longer than Marriott. And we could claim nights on up to 3 rooms for a while now (although neither have been in place for 10 years...to make SPG LTP). But that’s washed away by the many nights on the Marriott CC one could get. 15 just for having the card (vs 5 for SPG), and an Unlimited number of nights that could be earned for every $3k spent on the card. Heck, even if you only put stays on the card you were earning at least a couple of nights that way. Oh, and rollover nights.

So, could we all start advocating for everyone to get the status that is fair (based on what has been suggested above). Y’all with SPG nights of 750+ help a gal out here? Thanks!

forumpersona999

SHLTP

I live in a country where Facebook is not accessible... but I am with you all in spirit. I do think we as SPG LTP with over 750 nights should get the same status as Marriott LTPs. That is only fair.

I have only stayed 42 lifetime with Marriott (mostly in the past year) and have already earned 195,832 points. It seems their lifetime points benchmarks are insanely low. Points seem to come into my account like a Pez machine shooting out candy.

It is clear SPG plats are generally far more loyal than Marriott plats (there are exceptions of course) but the hurdle rate of getting SPG LTP was so much harder, from # of properties, to cost (my last 3 Starwood stays averaged over $600 USD a night at 2 LC properties) , to butt in beds over a whole decade that Marriott should at the least recognize our loyalty and high spending.

Moreover, as I have written before, I have directed my employees to stay at Starwoods so it is not just my personal account spending but the amount I have shelled out over all my employees.

Why should a Marriott LTP plat automatically be considered more loyal and a higher spender than I? There should be objective metrics for us to achieve. Just good business sense.

Oh, as a FYI, tonight I am staying at Conrad in Singapore over St. Regis because I am not happy about the grey area on my status. Not a bad property here. I might add Diamond status. Anyone have experience with that? Is it a viable program to test out? Usually I lam not a fan of Hyatts.

X-ON

I'm in similar situation, but not exactly the same. I am LTG with 800+ night 7 years Plt and 2M in equivalent spend... Right now I feel treated as a second class citizen
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The reason for this is not some misguided sense of entitlement its because the MR LT program was a function of a set loyalty measuring variables SPG LT program had another set of loyalty measuring variables, which it seems that the new program has adapted. So far so good, but now it seems like the exec at MR thought that we could not translate our SPG loyalty into the MR variables..However since this is a straight forward procedure we see that our loyalty to SPG expressed in the MR variables would have yielded a far better reward from MPG...
If the MR loyalty variables where something that we couldn't easily translate, like how many hidden pictures of Arne Sorenson we can find or how many bar soaps from FS Marriott we have collected, we would not have this discussion.But since both the concept of nights and points is easily transferable, in fact MR provided the points exchange rate which facilitate this comparison, we end up feeing like a second class citizen.

I can only assume that the exec at MR did this in the naive sense that since MPG is adapting the SPG loyalty variables SPG members would not mind. That type of thinking is like you are queuing for days to get bread you have your black number and you waiting for your turn... Now some guys with red numbers show up and these numbers are all lower it turns out the red numbers can get exchanged to the same number but written in black... How many people think that this situation will end well?

​​​​Or MR exec intentionally want to stick it to the SPG crowd for some unknown reason, maybe reduce the number of minted LTP and LTPP, at least that would make sense from some narrow accounting perspective
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​If it is the first I call Amateur Hour....

X-ON

Duplicate post

yosithezet

damon88

Yes- I didn't have time to sift through the data, but I am certain that the numbers are inflated. But a quick review proved what I already knew- that I way exceed a 2M point conversion (666,666 Starpoints)

(I way exceed 2M without a conversion.

Canada101

The "Master Statement" is fascinating.

It's easy enough to sift through and organize the data in Microsoft Excel to remove the "noise" as described by margarita girl to get an accurate picture of how many points have been earned over the years. The data is actually quite thorough and every single transaction (accrued and deducted points) is listed chronologically, by date. The only thing I am not sure about is whether the data goes back all the way. My SPG Dashboard lists me as having been a member since 2001 but the data on the "master statement" starts in 2005.

Either way, after nullifying all the noise of the awards claimed and points redeposited after award night cancellations and also removing all points transfered from my spouse's account, I've well exceeded 2MM MR points (I've actually far exceeded 2MM SPG points too).

PrivatePilot

How does one get a master statement?

Canada101

You can request it from your Ambassador or email [email protected].