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Old Apr 11, 16, 2:57 pm   #616
  
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OP is looking for April, not May.

IIRC Starwood doesn't allow minimum stay restrictions on award stays if the same requirements aren't applied to regular paid stays.
April is Songkran.

I've found minimum stay for points at 4 points Penghu over weekends.
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Old Apr 11, 16, 2:59 pm   #617
  
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I already stayed there aprox 20 times, and them only have 2 room types.
King bed and 2 double beds. ( not speak about suites )
Why them differ between URBAN and CHIC ( no idea ), I always book the ALOFT room and always be in the same rooms.

However them already doing this since January.
From May onward ( low season ) them open it.
Nobody can tell me, that every weekend FRI/SAT, the standard rooms are sold out ! Them simply close CHIC and sell as URBAN, so that them not have to give the reduced award booking.

And there is also absolutely no difference between this URBAN and CHIC, even not the view or floor
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Old Apr 11, 16, 3:20 pm   #618
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And there is also absolutely no difference between this URBAN and CHIC, even not the view or floor
The hotel's own website lists Urban Rooms as having Bangkok skyline views; Chic doesn't.

http://www.aloftbangkoksukhumvit11.c...TPRP&SWAQ=8CPE

When you make a dummy booking on this site, under "Aloft Room", it specifically sub-lists Chic and Urban as 2 separately bookable types.
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From May onward ( low season ) them open it.
Nobody can tell me, that every weekend FRI/SAT, the standard rooms are sold out ! Them simply close CHIC and sell as URBAN, so that them not have to give the reduced award booking.

And there is also absolutely no difference between this URBAN and CHIC, even not the view or floor
Afraid the website lists different rooms and the description is

"Appealing to on-the-go and in-the-know travelers, the Aloft rooms at Aloft Bangkok Sukhumvit 11 are equally carefree and bold. Nine-foot ceilings and extra-large windows create a bright, airy environment full of natural light. You’ll face the windows—not the walls—as you drift to sleep in our ultra-comfortable platform bed topped with plush bedding.

Check out side-street views from a Chic Room. Take in an Urban Room’s perspective of the Sukhumvit area. Or opt for a quiet Breezy Room on an upper floor—you’ll enjoy vibrant Bangkok skyline vistas.
"


While you may not like it the practice is perfectly normal and while it is quite possible in low seasons they release more 'Chic' rooms and upgrade people to Urban as they know they will not sellout otherwise this is again quite normal in the hotel industry managing inventory.

The cannot sell the Chic rooms as Urban / Breezy room as they will not match the description and people would be entitled to compensation. It can be frustrating when hotels classify different rooms on small differences but it is very normal practice and what they are offering on spg.com matches what is available for points, thus they are not in breach or committing any type of fraud.
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In January I booked a Friday night room for 3000 points and rarely are there no 3000 point rooms available on weekends.

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Old Apr 12, 16, 12:42 am   #621
  
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Afraid the website lists different rooms and the description is

..........
Check out side-street views from a Chic Room. Take in an Urban Room’s perspective of the Sukhumvit area. Or opt for a quiet Breezy Room on an upper floor—you’ll enjoy vibrant Bangkok skyline vistas.
"


.......
So which side them call side street view ?
The entrance side ? where bed supper club was ?
or the left side, where you really look in direction to Sukhumvit NANA station
or the right side, where you look to the connecting Sois between Soi 9 and 11
Still strange, that them sold out standard every FRI/SAT, and rest from week when costs 4000 points it's available.

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Old Apr 12, 16, 1:06 am   #622
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The lowest room types have the windows facing to the building next door. The urban rooms are located opposite and have a view in direction of Fraser Suites Sukhumvit. That's the only difference, there are also touch rooms with that mobile device to control lights/aircon ...

They also have a savvy suite in addition to standard suites which features an outdoor jacuzzi and terrace.
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Old Apr 12, 16, 4:21 am   #623
  
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Still strange, that them sold out standard every FRI/SAT, and rest from week when costs 4000 points it's available.
They are not sold out, they have a minimum stay requirement of 2 or 3 nights sometimes 4 depending when you look. As this minimum stay requirement is applied to paid stays it also applies to redemption bookings. Quite normal for SPG and many other programs as well.
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Old Apr 12, 16, 7:50 am   #624
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I already stayed there aprox 20 times, and them only have 2 room types.
King bed and 2 double beds. ( not speak about suites )
Why them differ between URBAN and CHIC ( no idea ), I always book the ALOFT room and always be in the same rooms.

However them already doing this since January.
From May onward ( low season ) them open it.
Nobody can tell me, that every weekend FRI/SAT, the standard rooms are sold out ! Them simply close CHIC and sell as URBAN, so that them not have to give the reduced award booking.

And there is also absolutely no difference between this URBAN and CHIC, even not the view or floor
i found a difference:
whichever one is higher gives you a free disposable toothbrush

they're great to take home and have for "friends" that stay over

oh
and the rooms don't face that condo, they face north and towards the airport link

i always got "upgraded" to those rooms as a gold.

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They are not sold out, they have a minimum stay requirement of 2 or 3 nights sometimes 4 depending when you look. As this minimum stay requirement is applied to paid stays it also applies to redemption bookings. Quite normal for SPG and many other programs as well.
but this is indeed new. weekends are 3k, and i'd often use a single one of those 3k nights to stay-hop in order to get plat. i think they're catching on. plus they seem to be swamped, checking in as a gold at 6-7pm i had to wait for rooms on 2 occasions.
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i found a difference:
whichever one is higher gives you a free disposable toothbrush

they're great to take home and have for "friends" that stay over

oh
and the rooms don't face that condo, they face north and towards the airport link

i always got "upgraded" to those rooms as a gold.


but this is indeed new. weekends are 3k, and i'd often use a single one of those 3k nights to stay-hop in order to get plat. i think they're catching on. plus they seem to be swamped, checking in as a gold at 6-7pm i had to wait for rooms on 2 occasions.
Sorry I not really see a difference, ( because in my eys there is no few @ all ! ) If I stay in ROS, I can see a difference, if a have a nice river view, or face to city, but I really not care if I look on frasor suites or another building
I think anyhow this was my last year as a platinum. All these catg. changes in Thailand makes the progr. anyhow uninteresting for me.
I not spend points if the value is less than 3 cent.
Between 15 and 20 of my stays per year are in BKK / CNX / CEI and Huahin and almost every hotel I frequently stayed went up one cat., and now the point value went down to 10k for aprox 4700 THB = 1.3 c per point.
The only kat 2 left was the ALOFT and when rates went 3000 THB up, it was worth to book by 3k points.
For this weekend now i vote by my wallet !
The first night i booked 2 rooms in CITRUS 13 for 1690THB per room per night incl. all taxes/fees and ABF
The second night i move to Dream hotel in Soi 15 for 2.250 THB per room per night also incl. all taxes/fees and ABF.
In ALOFT and/or 4P it would have cost me @ least 3.800 THB per room per night.
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Old Apr 12, 16, 1:48 pm   #626
  
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Sorry I not really see a difference, ( because in my eys there is no few @ all ! ) If I stay in ROS, I can see a difference, if a have a nice river view, or face to city, but I really not care if I look on frasor suites or another building
I think anyhow this was my last year as a platinum. All these catg. changes in Thailand makes the progr. anyhow uninteresting for me.
I not spend points if the value is less than 3 cent.
Between 15 and 20 of my stays per year are in BKK / CNX / CEI and Huahin and almost every hotel I frequently stayed went up one cat., and now the point value went down to 10k for aprox 4700 THB = 1.3 c per point.
The only kat 2 left was the ALOFT and when rates went 3000 THB up, it was worth to book by 3k points.
For this weekend now i vote by my wallet !
The first night i booked 2 rooms in CITRUS 13 for 1690THB per room per night incl. all taxes/fees and ABF
The second night i move to Dream hotel in Soi 15 for 2.250 THB per room per night also incl. all taxes/fees and ABF.
In ALOFT and/or 4P it would have cost me @ least 3.800 THB per room per night.
I am afraid there are many hotels that a small change in the view means a change in room type! Simply a higher floor can do it and this is certainly not limited to SPG.

I would agree you should always use the program that suits you best and stay where you can get best value for but clearly the Thailand SPG hotels are doing well if the categories are increasing as you suggest and while voting with your wallet is a good way to do it, their revenue departments clearly think they can fill the hotel over the weekends with longer stays and as such not have someone blocking a room for a weekend by taking only a single night. This is again common practice around the world especially in major cities.

Aloft is a brand that is growing and by most accounts doing pretty well in many of the places it has setup so the increase in category is as unsurprising as the increase in rates! If they have it wrong though you will soon see the rates drop as rooms are empty.
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Old Apr 13, 16, 12:49 pm   #627
  
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I am afraid there are many hotels that a small change in the view means a change in room type! Simply a higher floor can do it and this is certainly not limited to SPG.
Case in point-look at Hong Kong. Any room with a nice view is pricier, as my brother pointed out (no status, no view).
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Old Apr 14, 16, 12:42 pm   #628
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Old Apr 14, 16, 1:21 pm   #629
  
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Please don't be distracted by the room category debate. This hotel has had little change in these 2 categories since it was opened.

What we should be focusing on is the blocking of available rooms that should be open for award booking, as per the terms and conditions of the SPG program.

First the 4Points tried it. Now the Aloft is.

Let's look at the facts. A Starpoint has a value of 2-3 cents (depending who you ask). I value them at 1 THB each, because its easy to compare (even though that may be too generous a value).

A standard award is 3000 or 4000 points (equivalent of 3000-4000 THB)

They have hundreds of standard rooms.

A revenue stay fluctuates from 2300-3200THB++ per night

Even when awards are available, they are poor value.

I stay across the street at the HIX often. My friends are forced to phone SPG and get them to force an award for 3000 points on nights that they have blocked them.

QUESTION IS
Why are the able to restrict availability to book awards ON NIGHTS THAT THESE ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE?
I a not sure what anything you state above has to do with your actual question,

"Why are the able to restrict availability to book awards ON NIGHTS THAT THESE ROOMS ARE AVAILABLE"

Have you any evidence that the hotel has paid rooms available for a Chic room that they do not offer for standard redemption, bearing in mind the stay length needs to be the same?

As for your comment about the hotel having hundreds of standard rooms, the total number of all rooms & suite is 297 so while technically accurate at describing the total number of rooms is very misleading to suggest there are hundreds of standard rooms!

Please show some actual evidence of this blocking and how the hotel is not complying with the SPG program terms and conditions rather than making accusations without factual support.
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