upgrading a starfriend rate?
#1
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
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upgrading a starfriend rate?
after some calculations tonight i found that starfriend rate, when available almost always beats C+P(the points portion of the C+P almost covers the *fd rate already.....). they both do not earn *Pts anyway
So I'm wondering whether or not can i use my *Pts for room upgrades with a starfriend rate(IF i can get that rate)?
So I'm wondering whether or not can i use my *Pts for room upgrades with a starfriend rate(IF i can get that rate)?
#2
Join Date: Dec 2008
Programs: *G, SPG Plat, Accor Plat
Posts: 132
after some calculations tonight i found that starfriend rate, when available almost always beats C+P(the points portion of the C+P almost covers the *fd rate already.....). they both do not earn *Pts anyway
So I'm wondering whether or not can i use my *Pts for room upgrades with a starfriend rate(IF i can get that rate)?
So I'm wondering whether or not can i use my *Pts for room upgrades with a starfriend rate(IF i can get that rate)?
Friends and family members who participate in SPG and are paying for a StarFRND rate will not earn Starpoints or airline miles for the StarFRND rate itself, but may earn points on their eligible incidentals. Friends and family members can earn Starpoints when paying any other qualifying rate."
StarFRND, like StarHOT and StarPRO, are not qualifying rates, hence does not entitle you to Plat benefits whatsoever.
#3
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: SPG, Wyndham, AA
Posts: 120
If the property is willing to upgrade for an additional dollar amount, you should be able to use your points to pay for it as instant rewards. [1,500pts = $20]
#4
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NYC
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"STARWOOD PREFERRED GUEST (SPG)
Friends and family members who participate in SPG and are paying for a StarFRND rate will not earn Starpoints or airline miles for the StarFRND rate itself, but may earn points on their eligible incidentals. Friends and family members can earn Starpoints when paying any other qualifying rate."
StarFRND, like StarHOT and StarPRO, are not qualifying rates, hence does not entitle you to Plat benefits whatsoever.
Friends and family members who participate in SPG and are paying for a StarFRND rate will not earn Starpoints or airline miles for the StarFRND rate itself, but may earn points on their eligible incidentals. Friends and family members can earn Starpoints when paying any other qualifying rate."
StarFRND, like StarHOT and StarPRO, are not qualifying rates, hence does not entitle you to Plat benefits whatsoever.
He is asking if he can use star points to upgrade his room on this rate. (Which is not status related whatsoever.)
#5
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I was left clueless for a sec... then realized i wasnt the only one, lol...
#6
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You would have to enquire upon check-in at the property if they are able to offer upgrades using your Starpoints. It would be entirely up to the property in this case.
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#7
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: SPG Lifetime PP ; Hyatt Globalist ; Nexus
Posts: 950
Should be eligible for benefits
"STARWOOD PREFERRED GUEST (SPG)
Friends and family members who participate in SPG and are paying for a StarFRND rate will not earn Starpoints or airline miles for the StarFRND rate itself, but may earn points on their eligible incidentals. Friends and family members can earn Starpoints when paying any other qualifying rate."
StarFRND, like StarHOT and StarPRO, are not qualifying rates, hence does not entitle you to Plat benefits whatsoever.
Friends and family members who participate in SPG and are paying for a StarFRND rate will not earn Starpoints or airline miles for the StarFRND rate itself, but may earn points on their eligible incidentals. Friends and family members can earn Starpoints when paying any other qualifying rate."
StarFRND, like StarHOT and StarPRO, are not qualifying rates, hence does not entitle you to Plat benefits whatsoever.
4C.6. Platinum Members are not eligible for any in-hotel benefits when booking pre-paid or other third-party rates through third party channels, such as, but not limited to the channels listed in the definition of Eligible Rate;
4B.4. An “Eligible Rate” is the rate you pay for your room, but excludes:
(a) rooms where the booking is made by a agent or third party and you pay for that booking either at the hotel or directly to such third party, such as tour operators, and third party channels, including, but not limited to priceline.com, expedia.com, hotels.com, hrn.com, hotwire.com, lastminute.com, site59.com, orbitz.com, travelocity.com, cheaptickets.com, quickbook.com, travelweb.com, lodging.com, yahootravel.com, and travel.msn.com;
(b) room rates for group commercial or group leisure bookings where rooms are booked as part of a conference or organized tour that is either master billed or paid at tour operator rates or where the bookings for six or more rooms are linked;
(c) room rates that are master billed or paid at tour operator rates, wholesaler rates, including STARnet, STARPRO rates, and crew room rates;
(d) employee rates and friends and family rates;
(e) complimentary rooms (including, but not limited to, any Free Night Awards earned through the Program or otherwise) and other rooms reserved using Starpoints, including, rooms through the Program’s Cash and Points Award room rate.
Last edited by jimmychang; Nov 25, 2010 at 11:44 pm
#8
formerly known as daveland
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: NY, NY, USA
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Except...
I think you forgot to bold the portion of your own post that disagrees with your summation ;-) I have bolded, underlined, and italicized the relevant T&C line that does show he is ineligible for Plat benefits - although as another poster pointed out, that wasn't even the OPs question
I think you are confused about these 2. It's the booking channels that decide if the elite benefits would be offer, not the rate itself. So only 4B.4.(a) is not eligible for benefits but (b),(c),(d),(e) should be even though you don't earn points as benefits are offered in award stays.
4C.6. Platinum Members are not eligible for any in-hotel benefits when booking pre-paid or other third-party rates through third party channels, such as, but not limited to the channels listed in the definition of Eligible Rate;
4B.4. An Eligible Rate is the rate you pay for your room, but excludes:
(a) rooms where the booking is made by a agent or third party and you pay for that booking either at the hotel or directly to such third party, such as tour operators, and third party channels, including, but not limited to priceline.com, expedia.com, hotels.com, hrn.com, hotwire.com, lastminute.com, site59.com, orbitz.com, travelocity.com, cheaptickets.com, quickbook.com, travelweb.com, lodging.com, yahootravel.com, and travel.msn.com;
(b) room rates for group commercial or group leisure bookings where rooms are booked as part of a conference or organized tour that is either master billed or paid at tour operator rates or where the bookings for six or more rooms are linked;
(c) room rates that are master billed or paid at tour operator rates, wholesaler rates, including STARnet, STARPRO rates, and crew room rates;
(d) employee rates and friends and family rates;
(e) complimentary rooms (including, but not limited to, any Free Night Awards earned through the Program or otherwise) and other rooms reserved using Starpoints, including, rooms through the Programs Cash and Points Award room rate.
4C.6. Platinum Members are not eligible for any in-hotel benefits when booking pre-paid or other third-party rates through third party channels, such as, but not limited to the channels listed in the definition of Eligible Rate;
4B.4. An Eligible Rate is the rate you pay for your room, but excludes:
(a) rooms where the booking is made by a agent or third party and you pay for that booking either at the hotel or directly to such third party, such as tour operators, and third party channels, including, but not limited to priceline.com, expedia.com, hotels.com, hrn.com, hotwire.com, lastminute.com, site59.com, orbitz.com, travelocity.com, cheaptickets.com, quickbook.com, travelweb.com, lodging.com, yahootravel.com, and travel.msn.com;
(b) room rates for group commercial or group leisure bookings where rooms are booked as part of a conference or organized tour that is either master billed or paid at tour operator rates or where the bookings for six or more rooms are linked;
(c) room rates that are master billed or paid at tour operator rates, wholesaler rates, including STARnet, STARPRO rates, and crew room rates;
(d) employee rates and friends and family rates;
(e) complimentary rooms (including, but not limited to, any Free Night Awards earned through the Program or otherwise) and other rooms reserved using Starpoints, including, rooms through the Programs Cash and Points Award room rate.
#9
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SEA
Programs: SPG Lifetime PP ; Hyatt Globalist ; Nexus
Posts: 950
What the heck?
Do you still not understand eligible rate means eligibilithy for point accumulation not eligibility for elite benefits. That's what I'm trying to point out. ONLY (a) is not eligible for elite benefits. Even though (b),(c),(d),(e) are also ineligible for points, they are eligible for benefits. Please read T&C before correcting others.
I think you forgot to bold the portion of your own post that disagrees with your summation ;-) I have bolded, underlined, and italicized the relevant T&C line that does show he is ineligible for Plat benefits - although as another poster pointed out, that wasn't even the OPs question
Last edited by jimmychang; Nov 25, 2010 at 11:47 pm
#10
Join Date: Jun 2010
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nevermind.
#11
Join Date: Dec 2008
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Posts: 132
mah my bad.. misread the OP sorry about that though..
In this case I really think YMMV applies..
In this case I really think YMMV applies..
#12
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 14
dup post --sorry--
Last edited by bittenbytravelbug; Nov 29, 2010 at 2:10 am Reason: dup post
#13
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 14
Do you still not understand eligible rate means eligibilithy for point accumulation not eligibility for elite benefits. That's what I'm trying to point out. ONLY (a) is not eligible for elite benefits. Even though (b),(c),(d),(e) are also ineligible for points, they are eligible for benefits. Please read T&C before correcting others.
4C.6. Platinum Members are not eligible for any in-hotel benefits when booking pre-paid or other third-party rates through third party channels, such as, but not limited to the channels listed in the definition of Eligible Rate;
4B.4. An Eligible Rate is the rate you pay for your room, but excludes:
(a) rooms where the booking is made by a agent or third party and you pay for that booking either at the hotel or directly to such third party, such as tour operators, and third party channels, including, but not limited to priceline.com, expedia.com, hotels.com, hrn.com, hotwire.com, lastminute.com, site59.com, orbitz.com, travelocity.com, cheaptickets.com, quickbook.com, travelweb.com, lodging.com, yahootravel.com, and travel.msn.com;
(b) room rates for group commercial or group leisure bookings where rooms are booked as part of a conference or organized tour that is either master billed or paid at tour operator rates or where the bookings for six or more rooms are linked;
(c) room rates that are master billed or paid at tour operator rates, wholesaler rates, including STARnet, STARPRO rates, and crew room rates;
(d) employee rates and friends and family rates;
(e) complimentary rooms (including, but not limited to, any Free Night Awards earned through the Program or otherwise) and other rooms reserved using Starpoints, including, rooms through the Programs Cash and Points Award room rate.
#14
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Taiwan
Programs: IHG Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Hilton Gold, oneworld Emerald
Posts: 1,164
Employee and F&F rates are NOT third party rates, which are mentioned in 4C.6. While such rates are not qualifying for nights/stay credit and points, all status benefits should be still provided.
#15
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Florida
Programs: AA LTG (EXP), Hilton Silver (Dia), Marriott LTP (PP), SPG LTG (P) > MPG LTPP
Posts: 11,329
Now it is up the the property if they so choose to extend benefits beyond the rules.