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abrelosojos Dec 27, 2005 10:32 am


Originally Posted by belvidereflyer
Thanks for the quick response, for clarification my syntax gave the wrong impression, I meant using the US/HP clubs domestically with an Air Canada FF Gold card (fly a fair amount of US Air in the past year and used the Charlotte club quite a bit with my RCC card).

Have been trying to figure out the cost/benefit of switching to AC for *A membership basically because of the lower threshhold for Gold, don't do enough trans pac flights anymore to make Gold on United.

Again thanks.

= One thing to note is that I have had AC for years - and their program just sucks - way too many hassles. Check the various forums before going into AC ESPECIALLY if amount of miles are important and if you fly on cheap fare buckets.

-A.

Dromomaniac Dec 27, 2005 7:52 pm

It's a neat find, but you have to weigh the benefits. Is it worth saving $300-$400 a year in RCC costs, if it means doing away with upgrades, double elite miles, etc.? Especially if one flies on mostly UA, there are definite trade-offs in earning in another program. Keep in mind that, especially if living in the U.S., it's a lot easier to earn extra/bonus UA miles than to earn AC miles.

oliver2002 Dec 28, 2005 4:18 am

Also note that AC dicriminates highly against low fare short hops on *A partner airlines. So earning that low threshold of miles to become elite with them is quite difficult.

You could earn *G on TG, SK or AC (all low threshold) and then continue earning miles on UA.

Al B Dec 28, 2005 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002
Also note that AC dicriminates highly against low fare short hops on *A partner airlines.

How so? Can you elaborate more? Cheers.

oliver2002 Dec 28, 2005 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by Al B
How so? Can you elaborate more? Cheers.

For example on LH:

Intra-European Flights‡
Booking class Aeroplan Miles
Y, B, M, H, Q, V, W, S, G 50% of miles flown with a minimum of 500 miles

Class of Service Bonus

* First Class: 50%
* Business Class: 25%


on OS:

Non-Eligibility

* Booking classes: E, K, L, P, T

JIMCHI Apr 6, 2006 9:10 pm

Flying on LH in C class FRA-IAD connecting to an LH codeshare (IAD-MSY) operated by UA and in F on that segment. Can I use the Red Carpet Club at IAD upon presentation of the LH and UA boarding passes? Have no status on either LH or UA. Star Alliance rules are very unclear- says "Customers who present an international Business Class boarding pass, regardless of the Star Alliance carrier they fly, have access to all members' designated business departure lounges. Guests are not permitted." Is the RCC at IAD considered a "business departure lounge"?

Always Flyin Apr 6, 2006 9:50 pm

That really depends on how much you fly. I fly enough to make and keep current with UA 1K, LH Senator, SQ PPS, and BD Silver (I'll be gold in about a month).

I take the best benefits of each program.


Originally Posted by Dromomaniac
It's a neat find, but you have to weigh the benefits. Is it worth saving $300-$400 a year in RCC costs, if it means doing away with upgrades, double elite miles, etc.? Especially if one flies on mostly UA, there are definite trade-offs in earning in another program. Keep in mind that, especially if living in the U.S., it's a lot easier to earn extra/bonus UA miles than to earn AC miles.


UA Fan Apr 6, 2006 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by Dan Dare
Unless you have a UA ticket for travel that day a US or AC or any other *A Gold can use the RCC. You can't use a RCC with a non *A ticket.

My colleague is *G with AC and uses the RCC all the time for domestic travel with UA - has an easier time getting into the lounges than I do with a BD *G card!

UA and US members can't use the RCC even if they higher than Gold unless they pay their membership fees for the RCC although other *A gold members can. Does anyone know if AC gold's can use the RCC for free?

Q Shoe Guy Apr 6, 2006 10:41 pm


Originally Posted by UA Fan
Does anyone know if AC gold's can use the RCC for free?

Yes , we can! :D

Rudi Apr 7, 2006 12:04 am


Originally Posted by JIMCHI
Flying on LH in C class FRA-IAD connecting to an LH codeshare (IAD-MSY) operated by UA and in F on that segment. Can I use the Red Carpet Club at IAD upon presentation of the LH and UA boarding passes? Have no status on either LH or UA. Star Alliance rules are very unclear- says "Customers who present an international Business Class boarding pass, regardless of the Star Alliance carrier they fly, have access to all members' designated business departure lounges. Guests are not permitted." Is the RCC at IAD considered a "business departure lounge"?

you are welcome at the RCC or LH business-class lounge in FRA, but not in IAD. The 3 RCC in IAD are not arrival lounges, and on inner USA flights you must either hold an RCC pass (sold by UA against a fee) or hold Star-Gold-status with a non-USA-Starairline.

dabee69 Apr 12, 2006 2:53 am


Originally Posted by abrelosojos
I am curious as I could not find an answer to this. If I was flying a domestic US segment, ticketed on UAL, with my UAL FFN on it, can I still get Star Gold lounge access using my non-US Star Gold cards (SQ, BD)?

Someone please help,
A.

According to rules you don't have access without international segment same day. My own experience shows that the worst are UA RCC wardens in ORD.
Never succeeded. LAX is the best - 100% success. SFO really depends, unpredictable.

DaBee

Rudi Apr 12, 2006 3:11 am


Originally Posted by dabee69
According to rules you don't have access without international segment same day. ...

that (restrictve) rule only applies to UA Gold-status holders for inner-USA-flights. All other Star-Gold-status holders have RCC access, even when flying UA in the USA (this privilege for non UA StarGold status holders was only hold back by UA for a few months about 2 years ago).

spk Apr 14, 2006 10:01 am


Originally Posted by dabee69
According to rules you don't have access without international segment same day. My own experience shows that the worst are UA RCC wardens in ORD.
Never succeeded. LAX is the best - 100% success. SFO really depends, unpredictable.

DaBee

If you show them non-UA *G card (like TG, LH, etc), you'll be admitted into the RCC even on a purely domestic flight. This has been the case for many years. For UA *G (1P, 1K, UGS), your statement is correct.

The OP asked whether he can get in the RCC using non-UA *G card on domestic flight. The correct answer is YES.

CorSter Apr 23, 2006 10:03 pm

I flew from ORD-LAX on United and got in to the RCC with my Air Canada Elite (SA Gold) card....

Rudi Apr 24, 2006 12:57 am

UA's official RCC access rules regarding status
 
I have (and recommend it for all non-UA-StarGold-status holders) a print-out of these rules with me when flying inner USA segments

RCC/ADMIT 38N/
****** UA AND STAR ENTITLEMENT ACCESS ******
39N/ UNITED FIRST INTERNATIONAL AT ALL CLUBS ON SAME-DAY
40N/ TRAVEL...ONE GUEST ALLOWED...TWO DRINK CHITS SHOULD
41N/ BE PROVIDED AT THE GATEWAY.
42N/ UNITED BUSINESS INTERNATIONAL AT ALL CLUBS ON SAME-DAY
43N/ TRAVEL...NO GUESTS ALLOWED...TWO DRINK CHITS SHOULD
44N/ BE PROVIDED AT GATEWAY.
45N/ **** STAR GOLD ACCESS - OA STAR ALLIANCE CUSTOMERS ****
46N/ STAR GOLD.....ALL CLASSES REGARDLESS OF STAR
47N/ CARRIER TICKETED ON...HAVE ACCESS AT ALL CLUBS
48N/ ON SAME-DAY TRAVEL. CUSTOMER SHOULD
49N/ PRESENT STAR GOLD CARD WITH SAME-DAY TICKET.
50N/ -GUEST MUST ALSO BE TRAVELING ON SAME-DAY STAR
51N/ TWO DRINK CHITS SHOULD BE PROVIDED AT GATEWAY.
52N/ ALL CARD HOLDERS AND GUESTS SHOULD BE TRACKED AND
53N/ AND CROSS CHARGED.
54N/ ***NOTE UA STAR GOLD CUSTOMERS HAVE ACCESS
55N/ ONLY IN CONJUNCTION WITH INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL***


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