no more RCC access for non-UA *Gold on inner NorthAmerican tickets
Jun 25, 2003, 8:10 pm
#31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rudi:
UA changing that rule for inner NorthAmerican flights now, should 'force' all other StarAlliance carriers to also forbid lounge entry for UA-Gold-members, when only holding a boarding pass for an inner country (or even inner continent) boarding pass.
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UA changing that rule for inner NorthAmerican flights now, should 'force' all other StarAlliance carriers to also forbid lounge entry for UA-Gold-members, when only holding a boarding pass for an inner country (or even inner continent) boarding pass.
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However, the logical "retaliation" from the other * carriers would be to tell UA that they do not run clubs but rather lounges which are meant for F & C pax and elite members, and shut down access for RCC card holders.
Jun 25, 2003, 9:20 pm
#32
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As long as non-UA *Gs are treated the same as UA *Gs, what is the problem?
At non-UA lounges operated by, say LH, was there a policy whereby non-LH *Gs were permitted access while LH *Gs were denied? If so, then LH is welcome to retaliate.
At non-UA lounges operated by, say LH, was there a policy whereby non-LH *Gs were permitted access while LH *Gs were denied? If so, then LH is welcome to retaliate.
Jun 26, 2003, 6:36 am
#34
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FTraveler:
As long as non-UA *Gs are treated the same as UA *Gs, what is the problem?
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As long as non-UA *Gs are treated the same as UA *Gs, what is the problem?
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Jun 26, 2003, 9:09 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Hagbard Viking:
The problem is that Star Alliance marketing creates expectations, that UA has now decided not to live up to any more. For example, as *G (incl. UA 1K & 1P) you get lounge access when flying * carriers even on the shortest intra-European sectors (if a lounge exists at your departure airport). Flying UA from the US East coast to Hawaii you now don't, even though that's a longer trip than most trans-Atlantic flights from the East coast. How do you explain the rationale of that policy?</font>
The problem is that Star Alliance marketing creates expectations, that UA has now decided not to live up to any more. For example, as *G (incl. UA 1K & 1P) you get lounge access when flying * carriers even on the shortest intra-European sectors (if a lounge exists at your departure airport). Flying UA from the US East coast to Hawaii you now don't, even though that's a longer trip than most trans-Atlantic flights from the East coast. How do you explain the rationale of that policy?</font>
Jun 26, 2003, 10:08 am
#36
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fredd:
Hey, Mrs. Fredd and I just joined the RCC during a recent semi-MR to the midwest. We're flying out of YVR next week and won't have to worry about the difference between "foreign" and "intra-border" flights as we knock back our beverages in the MLL.
Can't justify the membership since we already have access on International flights as *G, but we have miles coming out of our ears, and we now expect the lounges to keep the riff-raff out, as Basil Fawlty would say. Nothing personal folks...
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Hey, Mrs. Fredd and I just joined the RCC during a recent semi-MR to the midwest. We're flying out of YVR next week and won't have to worry about the difference between "foreign" and "intra-border" flights as we knock back our beverages in the MLL.
Can't justify the membership since we already have access on International flights as *G, but we have miles coming out of our ears, and we now expect the lounges to keep the riff-raff out, as Basil Fawlty would say. Nothing personal folks...
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Even with the RCC membership we're in the same boat as we were with *G.
Jun 26, 2003, 10:13 am
#37
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Hagbard Viking:
The problem is that Star Alliance marketing creates expectations, that UA has now decided not to live up to any more. For example, as *G (incl. UA 1K & 1P) you get lounge access when flying * carriers even on the shortest intra-European sectors (if a lounge exists at your departure airport). Flying UA from the US East coast to Hawaii you now don't, even though that's a longer trip than most trans-Atlantic flights from the East coast. How do you explain the rationale of that policy?</font>
The problem is that Star Alliance marketing creates expectations, that UA has now decided not to live up to any more. For example, as *G (incl. UA 1K & 1P) you get lounge access when flying * carriers even on the shortest intra-European sectors (if a lounge exists at your departure airport). Flying UA from the US East coast to Hawaii you now don't, even though that's a longer trip than most trans-Atlantic flights from the East coast. How do you explain the rationale of that policy?</font>
Jun 26, 2003, 10:40 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">posted by FTraveler:
[B] A flight from the U.S. East Coast - Hawaii is a domestic flight. Frankfurt - Zurich is still an international flight. Could that be the distinction? </font>
[B] A flight from the U.S. East Coast - Hawaii is a domestic flight. Frankfurt - Zurich is still an international flight. Could that be the distinction? </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Now if UA *G are given access on a, say LH Frankfurt - Munich flight without a same-day international itin then I agree, that's unfair.</font>
The issue is simple: all Star Gold have access to all Star Gold lounges with a same day Star Alliance ticket in any class. Period. UA is trying to make itself the only exception to that rule, which doesn't say much for it's commitment to the Star Alliance.
Jun 26, 2003, 10:40 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FTraveler:
While I can empathize, a flight from the U.S. East Coast - Hawaii is a domestic flight. Frankfurt - Zurich is still an international flight. Could that be the distinction? Now if UA *G are given access on a, say LH Frankfurt - Munich flight without a same-day international itin then I agree, that's unfair. </font>
While I can empathize, a flight from the U.S. East Coast - Hawaii is a domestic flight. Frankfurt - Zurich is still an international flight. Could that be the distinction? Now if UA *G are given access on a, say LH Frankfurt - Munich flight without a same-day international itin then I agree, that's unfair. </font>
There may not always be a lounge in the domestic departure area, but when there is, at least in my experience, *G (incl. UA *G) are let in. For example, using my UA*G card I have got access to SK's lounge at ARN on purely domestic itineraries, BD's lounge at LHR going to MAN, and NZ's lounge at CHC going to AKL.
Jun 26, 2003, 10:43 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ajamieson:
The issue is simple: all Star Gold have access to all Star Gold lounges with a same day Star Alliance ticket in any class. Period. UA is trying to make itself the only exception to that rule, which doesn't say much for it's commitment to the Star Alliance.</font>
The issue is simple: all Star Gold have access to all Star Gold lounges with a same day Star Alliance ticket in any class. Period. UA is trying to make itself the only exception to that rule, which doesn't say much for it's commitment to the Star Alliance.</font>
Exactly! Thanks for emphasizing my point.
Jun 26, 2003, 11:57 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Hagbard Viking:
Exactly! Thanks for emphasizing my point.</font>
Exactly! Thanks for emphasizing my point.</font>
Two weeks ago when flying to FRA on LH out of YVR we were welcomed with open arms in the MLL because it was a *A international flight. That "trans-border" definition is particularly annoying to Canadians, but the objective is saving bucks for the airlines rather than undercutting Canadian sovereignty.
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Jun 26, 2003, 4:49 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fredd:
Flights between U.S. and Canada are defined as "trans-border" rather than international, which means among other things that I don't have access to the *A lounge (MLL) at YVR even with RCC membership because we're flying to HNL on UA and not AC.
Two weeks ago when flying to FRA on LH out of YVR we were welcomed with open arms in the MLL because it was a *A international flight. That "trans-border" definition is particularly annoying to Canadians, but the objective is saving bucks for the airlines rather than undercutting Canadian sovereignty.
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Flights between U.S. and Canada are defined as "trans-border" rather than international, which means among other things that I don't have access to the *A lounge (MLL) at YVR even with RCC membership because we're flying to HNL on UA and not AC.
Two weeks ago when flying to FRA on LH out of YVR we were welcomed with open arms in the MLL because it was a *A international flight. That "trans-border" definition is particularly annoying to Canadians, but the objective is saving bucks for the airlines rather than undercutting Canadian sovereignty.
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I was always welcomed in with a *G card, flying YVR/YYC-SFO/LAX on UA
Jun 26, 2003, 5:31 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Pacha:
did AC also change their policy regarding the MLL's?
I was always welcomed in with a *G card, flying YVR/YYC-SFO/LAX on UA
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did AC also change their policy regarding the MLL's?
I was always welcomed in with a *G card, flying YVR/YYC-SFO/LAX on UA
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Star Alliance Gold:
Any customers who present a valid card with the Star Alliance Gold logo are entitled to access the Maple Leaf Lounge when traveling on an Air Canada, Tango, Zip, Air Canada Jazz, Star Alliance or Air Canada Codeshare flight.
I can give it a try...
Jun 26, 2003, 7:25 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Hagbard Viking:
There may not always be a lounge in the domestic departure area, but when there is, at least in my experience, *G (incl. UA *G) are let in. For example, using my UA*G card I have got access to SK's lounge at ARN on purely domestic itineraries, BD's lounge at LHR going to MAN, and NZ's lounge at CHC going to AKL.</font>
There may not always be a lounge in the domestic departure area, but when there is, at least in my experience, *G (incl. UA *G) are let in. For example, using my UA*G card I have got access to SK's lounge at ARN on purely domestic itineraries, BD's lounge at LHR going to MAN, and NZ's lounge at CHC going to AKL.</font>
Jun 26, 2003, 9:36 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Fredd:
Wouldn't the number of UA *G members absolutely flood the domestic lounges if we were allowed in carte blanche?
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Wouldn't the number of UA *G members absolutely flood the domestic lounges if we were allowed in carte blanche?
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The changed policy basically says "We're only a *A airline when you're flying internationally". Hmmm, is this the first sign of a split into an international serving UA and a purely domestic UA-LCC ;-)
I've queried the *A folk on this and they are "looking into it".
As other's have pointed out in the United FT forum, it doesn't make sense to disallow other FFP *G members from the RCC when the RCC would actually receive payment from the host FFP for doing so.