RTW fast as possible
 

Hi,

I am considering a rtw ex cai.

My quesiton, the final inter-con leg can be completed no sooner than 10 days following the first. If I went CAI east bound getting to geneva as fast as possible, would the final leg gva - cai be considered "trans continental"?

Sorry if its an obvious questionh.

Thanks
Jer

Should be yes.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Excluding RTWLite (RWSPCL fare) fares, ex-Australia the RWSTAR1/2/3 fares all have a nil minimum stay http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

I've lost count the number of RTW's I've completed in 6 or 7 days (yes, everyone thinks I'm crazy !)

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RichardMEL, UA 1K
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What a waste http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif.

What took you so long? It should be possible to complete a RTW in under 48 hours. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

It does as Star define Mid East and Africa as one continent "Africa".
*However*, if you are commencing this RTW in Africa, the intercontinental rule does not apply, merely the international rule. The Intercontinental rule applies to journeys commencing in Europe. Your last international sector back to country of commencement must be no earlier than 10 days after departure of first international segment. You could, as a hypothetical explanation, fly to another African country and get surface to CAI, earlier than 10 days after leaving. You'd end up with an unused xxx-CAI segment or keep it till a later date but you are still within the rules as you haven't commenced your final international segment back into Egypt.

Cheers.

did it in four days week before last http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

had to work two days en route http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

Cheers

Thomas

RichardMEL,
I do not think you are crazy. I am doing a third RTW in a week beginning June 27......

Just curious, which route is fastest to make
CAI-GVA going east?

The following routing is the fastest?

CAI-DXB-SIN 1410->0725 12hr15
SIN-NRT-LAX 0945->1250 18hr05 (+2hr25)
LAX-FRA 1455->1030 10hr35 (+2hr05)
FRA-GVA 1130->1235 01hr05 (+1hr)

Total time = 47hr30min

Or can we do better?




[This message has been edited by Atuchan (edited 06-10-2003).]

I haven't got time to dip into amadeus right now, but avoiding dipping down to SIN should safe time, have a look at this:

CAI-FRA-NRT-YVR-FRA http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

I'm always a fan of doing them westwards to make the effect of jet lag as small as possible.

I've done them in both directions. The advantage of eastbound is that the flights are of shorter duration. Less time in the air is important to me.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Well all I can say is I actually wanted to stop once or twice on my RTW. However work colleagues, friends etc couldn't understand the 6/7 day thing. The joke got to be "Oh, so you're going away? Which AIRPORTS will you visit this time?" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif

You might be able to do it in 48 hours, but unless someone pays for me in F, I want to be living when I am ejected at the other end. Heck, doing MEL-SYD-LAX-IAD-FRA in one go is difficult enough.

Yes, I'm getting old http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

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RichardMEL, UA 1K
A Star Alliance Member.

humm.. too much transit time in NRT
arr: 7:45AM and dep: 18:35 (+10hr50)

Even,

CAI-FRA 4hr20
FRA-NRT 11h00 (+5hr30)
NRT-JFK 12h30 (+3hr20)
JFK-FRA 07h35 (+5hr30)
FRA-GVA 01h05 (+2hr25)

are 53hr 15 minutes.

I concur with RichardMEL! It wil be nice to stop by at some of these places on the way.

I thought the Star RTW's required a minimum of three stopovers (>24 hours). How do you squeeze that into 48 hours?

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You're right. One cannot complete a Star RTW in 48 hours according to the rules. Most of my Star RTWs end up with two stopovers (>= 24 hours), but I've never tried to fly a RTW without any stopovers. I always want at least one.

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Actually. I would like to maximize miles as well (i.e. I'm thinking the 34K plan).

I have to visit friends in Cairo and just got to wondering if it would be worth a scream around the world in F to make 1K on ual this year. I'm based out of GVA this summer, so I could do most of the rtw asap, then hang out in gva until the rules allow me to complete the final leg. I need to nest the trip inside GVA-CAI Y fare.

If I had to do some 24 hour stopovers, would want Manila (business) and rochester, NY (wife).

On the LH egypt website it mentions the 10 day inter-con rule.

Thanks for the helpful replies!

You still could - * RTW's allow you to travel further than round the world, provided you don't pass through city of origin and you still end your trip in country of origin. You'd have to be creative with the rest of the trip given the other rules as you would have crossed the Atlantic and Pacific and done Area 2 to Area 3 not to mention stopovers in the same area. You could theoretically start in say Chicago, head west through Asia to Europe and back over the Atlantic to say LAX, then zig zag up and down between Canada/US to ORD getting your 3 minimum stopovers in before ending back in ORD. Your ORD-LAX without stops is certainly RTW !!

You are absolutely right. I forgot about the rule too.

It's only been in the past year or so that the * carriers have actually enforced the 24 hour stopover rule. For example, I used to be able to get into a city 8pm one night and leave 9am the next morning and count it as a valid stopover. Now they will not issue the ticket unless there is a 24hour stopover - at least 3 of them I mean. It was so rigid that they wouldn't allow a 1050 arrival and 1025+1 departure on one stopover!

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RichardMEL, UA 1K
A Star Alliance Member.

anyone have any idea why they enforce this rule? The only reason I can figure is to stop mileage runners.

But would they really go to all that trouble?

Originally you would get away with what Richard described, more so if there were at least 3 other clear stopovers on the ticket, but then several grey areas were opening up on ticket re-issues, sidestepping the intent of the rule etc. It was made clear that a stopover on *RTW's would follow IATA general rules, clearing up many issues immediately. One major concern was the increasing use of *RTW's to do quick business trips with several world destinations. Being corps, time is money and time is valuable, so they were wanting to do it in the quickest time possible. Many of the 3 minimum stopovers were becoming overnight only without 24 hour stays. (True also in some cases for mileage runners, although these aren't considered much of a problem). In keeping with the time honoured tradition of gouging Corporate travellers as much as possible, by enforcing the 24 hour stopover the Corps were faced with either lengthening their journey, with the consequent penalties to their valuable time, or get a normal mileage or excursion fare that allowed minimal time to be spent in cities. Of course mileage fares are a tad more in cost than *RTW's and are what the carriers live on.
There were also issues with interpretation of the rule by carriers, agents and customers themselves for ticketing and re-issuing, so it was clarified to a uniform standard by enforcing the IATA general rule on stopovers, allowing no confusion.
Cheers.