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HMPS Nov 9, 2014 12:58 am

Star A Standards ?
 
Just read a report on Air India' flight BOM EWR was cancelled on Fiday . Pax were boarded on time. It took four hours to declare that aircraft had gone technical / mechanical. There were no progress reports from crew. The crew disappeared before pax were off loaded!
Pax did not see any AI staff for hours. We're stuck in secure area airside.

Question is : What are Star A protocol a and or contingency plan recommendations ? Does the Alliance compile such info on members ?
I have not flown AI in decades. Thought with the Alliance membership pax handling would have improved. No luck. So still not on my list of airlines to fly.

RTW1 Nov 9, 2014 5:23 am

*A is a marketing alliance only.....

HMPS Nov 9, 2014 6:51 am


Originally Posted by RTW1 (Post 23814181)
*A is a marketing alliance only.....

True, but one knows who you associate with reflects on your reputation.

BTW, was the delay in admitting AI was only issues with marketing ?

RTW1 Nov 9, 2014 7:39 am


Originally Posted by HMPS (Post 23814399)
True, but one knows who you associate with reflects on your reputation.

Not for airlines in most peoples perception.... fly AI get AI treatment, nothing to do with for instance LH or SQ.
Be glad you can credit the miles to someone else, and if you don't like an airline don't fly it. No need to post about that, most of know what AI is.

Every alliance has members that are perceived to deliver different quality products. It's more about having worldwide coverage than anything else.

pduck01 Nov 9, 2014 6:55 pm

Star A Standards ?
 
You chose to fly AI....

HMPS Nov 10, 2014 2:09 am


Originally Posted by RTW1 (Post 23814534)
Not for airlines in most peoples perception.... fly AI get AI treatment, nothing to do with for instance LH or SQ.
Be glad you can credit the miles to someone else, and if you don't like an airline don't fly it. No need to post about that, most of know what AI is.

Every alliance has members that are perceived to deliver different quality products. It's more about having worldwide coverage than anything else.

I am used to reading posts that inform, ask, suggest Etc on FT.
On a broader scale, marketers /companies pay close attention to with whom they are perceived to be representing. Not every airline can join and display an Alliance logo. Marketing 101.
So I fail to see the importance of your admonition re " don't use XYZ if you don.t like it."


Originally Posted by pduck01 (Post 23817077)
You chose to fly AI....

I did. Not say I was on that flight. The " we're" was an auto correct for "were".. I stopped flying AI decades ago.

NewbieRunner Nov 10, 2014 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by RTW1 (Post 23814534)
Every alliance has members that are perceived to deliver different quality products. It's more about having worldwide coverage than anything else.

Agreed. Does a thread like this make you think AI is not good enough to join Star Alliance? I recommend post #1150 onward.

HMPS Nov 10, 2014 2:10 pm


Originally Posted by NewbieRunner (Post 23820853)
Agreed. Does a thread like this make you think AI is not good enough to join Star Alliance? I recommend post #1150 onward.

I did not question AI s suitability to join an Alliance. Remember, AI had gone to e altar a couple of times and rejected. It was the Govt. That insisted it be inducted before any other Indian airline was inducted.
BTW, cancellations with similar patterns are not infrequent like once a ye. It has happened a few times.

To get back on topic, question was does Star A ( any other) have standards other than market coverage ?

oliver2002 Nov 12, 2014 5:11 am

*A has quite a few standards and working groups. Their first aim is to provide a seamless travel experience, so checkin and lounge etc is covered, and during irreg *A partners can rebook onto each other without having to double check and get endorsements. So in the above AI case the ground staff could have rebooked the entire flight onto alternative *A flights.

They also have working groups that come together to discuss policy and prepare plan on how to help each other should one partner have incidents (crashes, 9/11 type situations etc).

HMPS Nov 14, 2014 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by oliver2002 (Post 23830121)
*A has quite a few standards and working groups. Their first aim is to provide a seamless travel experience, so checkin and lounge etc is covered, and during irreg *A partners can rebook onto each other without having to double check and get endorsements. So in the above AI case the ground staff could have rebooked the entire flight onto alternative *A flights.

They also have working groups that come together to discuss policy and prepare plan on how to help each other should one partner have incidents (crashes, 9/11 type situations etc).

Thanks for the info.
It looks like AI has a long ways to go when dealing with IRROPS. Perhaps they can start with a Policy and Procedure manual along with a chai of command that allows on site senior most manger to take appropriate actions.

Often1 Nov 14, 2014 5:43 pm

Perhaps they can. But, *A won't have anything to do with that. If AI cares, it can ask any one of dozens of other carriers if it can send some of it's people to observe.


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