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nk15 Mar 5, 2023 9:15 pm

Southwest 737 emergency landing--smoke in the cabin--March 5
 
Southwest 737 Makes Emergency Landing in Cuba After Cabin Fills with Smoke (samchui.com)

LegalTender Mar 5, 2023 9:28 pm

Many air masks on the plane did not deploy.


"People started taking matters into their own hands and by force were punching the roof to eject the masks," passenger Steven Rodriguez told NBC 6 in a phone interview. "And people had bloody knuckles and all because they were punching the roof. There were little kids on the plane and elderly women."

Sigwx Mar 6, 2023 5:53 am


Originally Posted by LegalTender (Post 35064269)
Many air masks on the plane did not deploy.

Good, they shouldn’t.

A classic fight or flight response from some in the cabin, smashing the PSU covers in order to access masks, leading to injury, rapidly heating chemical O2 generators and the addition of concentrated O2 into a potential fire scenario within a confined space.

A safe outcome despite a few individuals injuring themselves to access what is only used in the event of a depressurisation.

LegalTender Mar 6, 2023 7:05 am

It needs to be answered whether the captain released o2 masks against protocol. And - per testimonials - some didn't deploy.

Did the crew PA advise parents on fitting a child's mask?

Sigwx Mar 6, 2023 7:14 am


Originally Posted by LegalTender (Post 35065055)
It needs to be answered whether the captain released o2 masks against protocol. And - per testimonials - some didn't deploy.

Did the crew PA advise parents on fitting a child's mask?

You are mis quoting the article. It is a male passenger shouting about children and masks and it is passengers that have damaged the PSUs in order to force the masks to deploy and have injured themselves in this process. At no point would the flight crew deploy the pass oxy masks in this scenario.

LegalTender Mar 6, 2023 7:53 am


Originally Posted by Sigwx (Post 35065076)
You are mis quoting the article. It is a male passenger shouting about children and masks and it is passengers that have damaged the PSUs in order to force the masks to deploy and have injured themselves in this process. At no point would the flight crew deploy the pass oxy masks in this scenario.

I stand rebuked. Although asking about crew PA is not misquoting the article. My Spanish isn't as good as yours.

clubord Mar 6, 2023 7:54 am

The drop down oxygen masks are for depressurization scenarios not smoke in the cabin events.

As others have mentioned upstream, providing additional oxygen sources during an inflight fire could be catastrophic.

nk15 Mar 6, 2023 8:18 am

That's another reason wearing or having with you a high quality N95 with a good seal may help in such an admittedly rare scenario. At least it will buy you a little more time.

Smoke in the cabin is one of the worst things that can happen. If I am not mistaken, the 90-second evacuation rule for aircraft certification is based on the fact that after 90 seconds of thick smoke in the cabin, passengers will become incapacitated from smoke inhalation and die (in an assumed scenario of some kind of crash landing with fire).

nk15 Mar 6, 2023 10:54 am

Emergency evacuation with full luggage and everything....



O62 Mar 6, 2023 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 35065747)
Emergency evacuation with full luggage and everything....

That is so frustrating to see. I'm sure cabin crew told them not to do it but people can't fathom being separated from their "stuff."

LarryJ Mar 6, 2023 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by LegalTender (Post 35065055)
It needs to be answered whether the captain released o2 masks against protocol. And - per testimonials - some didn't deploy.

In addition to what others have said, the passenger oxygen masks won't help in a smoke-filled cabin. The mask mixes the ambient air with the oxygen so you'd still be inhaling smoke. The purpose of the masks is to add some 100% oxygen to the thin cabin air in a depressurization so as to increase the oxygen partial-pressure so that your lungs can transfer more oxygen into your blood.


Originally Posted by nk15 (Post 35065747)
Emergency evacuation with full luggage and everything....

Not sure how you stop them from doing that. It's always going to happen.

Kevin AA Mar 6, 2023 2:33 pm

People who take their luggage with them in an emergency evacuation should be strung up on charges of hindering an emergency evacuation and sent straight to jail, where they will have no access to their precious belongings.

notquiteaff Mar 6, 2023 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 35066093)

Not sure how you stop them from doing that. It's always going to happen.

Collect the large bags from the passengers on the tarmac before boarding the busses, put them in a big pile, add some jet fuel, and set them on fire. Broadcast on evening news.

enviroian Mar 7, 2023 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by Kevin AA (Post 35066394)
People who take their luggage with them in an emergency evacuation should be strung up on charges of hindering an emergency evacuation and sent straight to jail, where they will have no access to their precious belongings.

If one of those selfish and moronic people hindered my escape by attempting to pull their bag out of the overhead bin I can assure you they will not be getting that bag.

nk15 Mar 7, 2023 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 35066093)
Not sure how you stop them from doing that. It's always going to happen.

Then the evacuation certification tests should be conducted in realistic conditions, with 40-60% of passengers bringing their luggage to the slides, full size wheeled carry-ons included....


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