GK urges TSA to begin temperature scans

Old May 6, 20, 9:22 am
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GK urges TSA to begin temperature scans

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May 6th, 2020 9:49am Herb Time

Southwest CEO Gary Kelly urges TSA to begin temperature scans at checkpoints

"We're urging the TSA ... to begin temperature scans as part of the screening process at the checkpoints," Kelly told CBS News transportation correspondent Kris Van Cleave.

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"We don't want to be the police," [Kelly] added.
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If the airlines or TSA are going to rely on visible or measurable symptoms (fever), they are missing 50%+ of the problem! They would need to have passengers show up a week before their flight and quarantine until boarding.

Asymotomatic carriers spread this, and during an incubation period, people are very contagious for days before they show signs of fever.
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Originally Posted by expert7700 View Post
If the airlines or TSA are going to rely on visible or measurable symptoms (fever), they are missing 50%+ of the problem! They would need to have passengers show up a week before their flight and quarantine until boarding.

Asymotomatic carriers spread this, and during an incubation period, people are very contagious for days before they show signs of fever.
​​​​​​I guess a false sense of security works just as well. Try anything to jumpstart travel.

If you refuse or fail a medical check at TSA is your ticket refunded? How would database sharing sync with HIPAA compliance?
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How do you get back home if you fail the medical check on the return flight?
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Originally Posted by vike16 View Post
How do you get back home if you fail the medical check on the return flight?
Very good question.

Very good.

Ever worse... if the airline does it just before boarding...what happens if you pass inspection on first flight, but fail during connection?
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Originally Posted by NoStressHere View Post
Very good question.

Very good.

Ever worse... if the airline does it just before boarding...what happens if you pass inspection on first flight, but fail during connection?
How would you fail? You don't have to go through security again.
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Security theater, TSAs the best.
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Originally Posted by expert7700 View Post
If the airlines or TSA are going to rely on visible or measurable symptoms (fever), they are missing 50%+ of the problem! They would need to have passengers show up a week before their flight and quarantine until boarding.

Asymotomatic carriers spread this, and during an incubation period, people are very contagious for days before they show signs of fever.
False news. According to the CDC, 6.4% of COVID-19 sufferers got sick from asymptomatic carriers. ...and all of that 6.4% got sick by sleeping and/or living with carriers or singing in church choirs with the carriers. Just existing in the same room with an asymptomatic carrier does not spread the disease by any measurable number I can find...let alone causing "50%+" of the transmissions.

Link from CDC about Singapore Study

That being said, the TSA already has the green light to put their hands down my pants in the name of safety, so I might as well let them put a second act on security theater and use an infrared thermometer that hardly works. Lets hope you are not running late through the airport on a hot summer day!
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False news. According to the CDC, 6.4% of COVID-19 sufferers got sick from asymptomatic carriers. ...and all of that 6.4% got sick by sleeping and/or living with carriers or singing in church choirs with the carriers. Just existing in the same room with an asymptomatic carrier does not spread the disease by any measurable number I can find...let alone causing "50%+" of the transmissions.
Singapore and SE Asia virus may not be the one that crippled Europe and the northeast US.

I can cherry pick data, too. Temperature checks are a salve.

Researchers in Iceland reported that 50% of their novel coronavirus cases who tested positive had no symptoms. The testing had been conducted by deCODE, a subsidiary of the U.S. Biotech company Amgen.
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False news. According to the CDC, 6.4% of COVID-19 sufferers.....
The CDC has no more credibility. Remember how they were saying N95 masks won't offer any protection to the public (yet, pleaese save then for doctors). And said just wash hands, while other countries started spraying the streets.

I'd believe Tawian's study that asymptomatic spreaders are the the bigger problem:
​https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3082649/coronavirus-most-likely-be-passed-early-stages-illness-or

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How do you get back home if you fail the medical check on the return flight?
This is a bigger concern: Human nature is to want to travel back home EVEN if they are feeling a bit ill. Who wants to be in a hotel or strange city seeking healthcare. Thus, people with symtoms absolutely WILL try to fly. Temperare checks during SARS were often thwarted by passengers on airplanes passing around a botle of Tylenol before landing "just in case."

So instead of JUST worrying about half or whatever % are asymptomatic spreaders, you'll also have to worry about those who have reduced their fever just for the TSA or airline checkpoint.
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How would you fail? You don't have to go through security again.
My post was referring to what happens if the AIRLINE does the screening just before boarding instead of TSA.
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My post was referring to what happens if the AIRLINE does the screening just before boarding instead of TSA.
The legal risks would be unsupportable. You might flag passengers who have a different type of infection, while missing those who are truly incubating the virus but havenít started to show symptoms.

Immensely tougher to sue TSA than WN.
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Originally Posted by LegalTender View Post
Singapore and SE Asia virus may not be the one that crippled Europe and the northeast US.

I can cherry pick data, too. Temperature checks are a salve.
It is not cherry picking data just because it does not agree with your prerogative. Temperature checks I imagine are rather worthless as well (I wonder how accurate they are?). Either way, if I have to choose one...I would much rather have a brief temperature check over a mask for hours on end.

Regarding the fact that quite a few 'Rona carriers are asymptomatic in the Iceland article...yes, that seems to be true (and fascinating to study). However, it still doesn't change the fact that being asymptomatic means you are not coughing and sneezing...and therefore not shedding the virus in any significant number to others in public that you do not have close contact with per the Singapore study.

Originally Posted by expert7700 View Post
The CDC has no more credibility. Remember how they were saying N95 masks won't offer any protection to the public (yet, pleaese save then for doctors). And said just wash hands, while other countries started spraying the streets.

I'd believe Tawian's study that asymptomatic spreaders are the the bigger problem: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...​​
Well, I still believe masks are worthless for asymptomatic people. Plus, I still don't understand the value of spraying the streets (who is touching the street?!?)

The Taiwan study link is broken...can you share that again?
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​​​​​​If you refuse or fail a medical check at TSA is your ticket refunded?
That would be interesting. Although that might encourage sick people (and those pretending to be sick) to show up at the airport so that they can get their money back.
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