Load Factor: 6%
Apr 30, 2020, 8:05 pm
#31
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Apr 30, 2020, 9:13 pm
#32
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These load numbers are NOT accurate for all markets.
I had a rep tell me just now that they have over 100 sold seats on the 5/3 PBI-BWI-ISP flight.
take away the first three and last three rows and that’s practically a sold out flight on a 700 series.
see my other thread about what’s happening with ISP.
they cut all these flights and now pack us on like sardines.
I had a rep tell me just now that they have over 100 sold seats on the 5/3 PBI-BWI-ISP flight.
take away the first three and last three rows and that’s practically a sold out flight on a 700 series.
see my other thread about what’s happening with ISP.
they cut all these flights and now pack us on like sardines.
May 2, 2020, 11:55 am
#33
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These load numbers are NOT accurate for all markets.
I had a rep tell me just now that they have over 100 sold seats on the 5/3 PBI-BWI-ISP flight.
take away the first three and last three rows and that’s practically a sold out flight on a 700 series.
see my other thread about what’s happening with ISP.
they cut all these flights and now pack us on like sardines.
I had a rep tell me just now that they have over 100 sold seats on the 5/3 PBI-BWI-ISP flight.
take away the first three and last three rows and that’s practically a sold out flight on a 700 series.
see my other thread about what’s happening with ISP.
they cut all these flights and now pack us on like sardines.
We've been packed in like sardines on flights for years now, that is how the airlines got record profits before this. What is new?
May 4, 2020, 3:14 am
#34
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They can't afford to run such empty flights unless you want to pay like triple the price for your ticket... full flights are what make money.
We've been packed in like sardines on flights for years now, that is how the airlines got record profits before this. What is new?
We've been packed in like sardines on flights for years now, that is how the airlines got record profits before this. What is new?
May 4, 2020, 5:20 am
#35
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I believe the question was...how can WN afford to keep the airline running, let alone profitable, when load factors are in the single digits. Pre-'Rona, they needed nearly 90% load factors to do this. COVID-19 and Social Distancing do not put money in the bank (unless you are willing to spend a guesstimate of three times more on your ticket).
May 4, 2020, 1:51 pm
#36
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I believe the question was...how can WN afford to keep the airline running, let alone profitable, when load factors are in the single digits. Pre-'Rona, they needed nearly 90% load factors to do this. COVID-19 and Social Distancing do not put money in the bank (unless you are willing to spend a guesstimate of three times more on your ticket).
May 4, 2020, 3:54 pm
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May 4, 2020, 3:57 pm
#38
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Of course a break-even LF is always changing depending on all sorts of cost and revenue inputs. But it has never been anywhere near 90% unless you are an ULCC like Ryan Air or Spirit or something.
May 4, 2020, 5:45 pm
#39
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So if they did not need my arbitrary spitball guess of 90% LF's to make a profit, and the LF's needed to make a profit are always changing...can we at least agree that load factor number required to make a profit is significantly greater than 6%?
May 4, 2020, 11:22 pm
#40
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Absolutely, and thanks to a new schedule now in effect and slowly returning demand, it will continue to rise to hopefully profitable levels in the not so distant future. Of course, thru at least June, up to the capacity limits WN has set per the Promise.
May 5, 2020, 2:10 am
#41
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Unquestionably there's pent-up demand in the system. Some of it may flatten by lack of travel insurance cover for this virus.
Credit cards may cover you for your medical bills for getting sick - but not costs incurred by you for your trips, transfers, accommodation, activities and other being cancelled should another outbreak occur.