Southwest closing Newark.
Jul 25, 2019, 10:14 pm
#31
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AS shares the EWR satellite with WN, has significantly increased transcon service to most of their west coast focus cities over the past couple of years, could see them adding EWR-DAL. Wondering how much their presence influenced the subject decision.
B6 already has some EWR service, out of a different terminal. Their NYC hub is JFK.
B6 already has some EWR service, out of a different terminal. Their NYC hub is JFK.
Jul 25, 2019, 10:22 pm
#32
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It doesn't seem like AS would want to add anything not touching a west coast hub. It pretty much already has six cities from the west coast to EWR. It doesn't have OAK-EWR but OAK-EWR sounds more like a route jetBlue would consider as a red-eye.
On AS at DAL: I saw some low fares like $105 and $120 one-way on DAL-SEA just less than two weeks out (August 5th), in the peak summer. Not sure how AS is making money at DAL, on those flights if fares are rock bottom so short in, and it's to SEA, it's primary hub. If WN can close EWR for under performance, maybe the news will give AS the justification to cut one of its under performing stations.
On AS at DAL: I saw some low fares like $105 and $120 one-way on DAL-SEA just less than two weeks out (August 5th), in the peak summer. Not sure how AS is making money at DAL, on those flights if fares are rock bottom so short in, and it's to SEA, it's primary hub. If WN can close EWR for under performance, maybe the news will give AS the justification to cut one of its under performing stations.
Jul 25, 2019, 10:51 pm
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It doesn't seem like AS would want to add anything not touching a west coast hub. It pretty much already has six cities from the west coast to EWR. It doesn't have OAK-EWR but OAK-EWR sounds more like a route jetBlue would consider as a red-eye.
On AS at DAL: I saw some low fares like $105 and $120 one-way on DAL-SEA just less than two weeks out (August 5th), in the peak summer. Not sure how AS is making money at DAL, on those flights if fares are rock bottom so short in, and it's to SEA, it's primary hub. If WN can close EWR for under performance, maybe the news will give AS the justification to cut one of its under performing stations.
On AS at DAL: I saw some low fares like $105 and $120 one-way on DAL-SEA just less than two weeks out (August 5th), in the peak summer. Not sure how AS is making money at DAL, on those flights if fares are rock bottom so short in, and it's to SEA, it's primary hub. If WN can close EWR for under performance, maybe the news will give AS the justification to cut one of its under performing stations.
2. Much of AS' DAL service - including DAL-SEA - is on a Skywest E175, which have a much lower CASM than WN's (or AS') 737's. I also doubt that every passenger pays such low fares.
3. I had a business trip earlier this year, with stops in both Dallas and NYC, flew AS SAN-DAL, then DAL-LGA, EWR-SAN. LGA is currently a nightmare, would have preferred DAL-EWR, expect there are others who feel the same way.
Jul 26, 2019, 6:58 am
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Jul 26, 2019, 6:59 am
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Jul 26, 2019, 8:18 am
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AS on average is 9 mins late out of LGA, 11 mins out of EWR; WN is 18 mins out of LGA, 19 mins out of EWR. Ground transportation, general access to LGA is a nightmare for anyone headed to Manhattan, NJ, as are rental car facilities; EWR is MUCH more convenient, efficient.
Jul 26, 2019, 9:45 am
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I suppose I haven't really helped their business there - as a frequent OAK passenger, I was really happy to have service to EWR...though I never ended up actually using it, preferring to take B6 or DL (from SFO) to the NYC area for transcon flights. (Here's hoping that Delta gets the EWR gates!)
I don't suppose this means that more service will go back to ISP? (Or new service to one the other secondary airports...)
I don't suppose this means that more service will go back to ISP? (Or new service to one the other secondary airports...)
Jul 26, 2019, 11:22 am
#39
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Once again Southwest is proving they are a west coast airline. I live on the east coast and Hawaii flights are of no use to me. Once my companion pass expires I'll be done for good.
Jul 26, 2019, 1:47 pm
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HOU-EWR was my preferred way of going to New York back when that route was still around. Ever since they dropped that I have gone via LGA and while the terminal has improved significantly in the last year the ground transport to or from LGA is still a massive pain the rear.
Jul 26, 2019, 2:07 pm
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From an AP story:
Southwest Chairman and CEO Gary Kelly said closing Newark is “a tactical decision forced by the Max groundings.” He said Southwest needs its remaining planes elsewhere.
Jul 26, 2019, 2:30 pm
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I highly doubt it's a Max issue. I'm sure WN could strike a deal with Boeing to bring in non Max planes or find some used 7 or 800s to protect profitable routes.
Jul 26, 2019, 2:49 pm
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A couple of years ago Southwest was buying up or leasing pretty much every 700 on the market. I was tracking ti and they were averaging 4-5 a month. I doubt that many are still available but I haven't seen them doing that lately.
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Jul 26, 2019, 5:26 pm
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...but that would be insane to do to operate flights that are losing loads of money. It is obviously cheaper to reallocate capacity temporarily by shutting down a failing station than to add extra maintenance costs for older planes and then also lose money on the flights those planes are flying.
