New Service to Kauai - On Hold?
Mar 20, 2019, 9:52 am
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New Service to Kauai - On Hold?
I noticed that there is zero commentary from Southwest, or from even the (so called) outside experts, on when Kaui service will begin. Would you guess that the 800 MAX grounding has put this plan on hold (not because they planned to use this model to Kaui - they can't - but because they need large capacity planes on other routes while the MAX is grounded)? Has anyone seen anything more specific than "soon"? Mahalo.
Mar 20, 2019, 12:36 pm
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Loosing 5% of capacity is a pain, but something that can be managed. Probably easiest just not adding new flights to add to the strain.
I'd love to see how 737 lease rates changed after the Max grounding.
I'd love to see how 737 lease rates changed after the Max grounding.
Mar 20, 2019, 12:57 pm
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Not yet. They still waiting from FAA. When they received ETOPS overwater certified for 737-MAX8. They still grounded. Right now, FAA, DOT, NTSB is still ongoing investigation. It will take a while.
Mar 21, 2019, 12:09 am
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Mar 21, 2019, 7:46 am
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Those are two really good, and wholly inflexible, reasons not to put Max 8s in the schedule to Hawaii for now.
Mar 21, 2019, 9:44 am
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Perhaps I misread it but after re reading that post I still don't understand exactly what the poster meant.
800 MAX grounding has put this plan on hold (not because they planned to use this model to Kaui - they can't
Mar 21, 2019, 3:58 pm
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They can't because.....
An ETOPS certification applies to specific planes (not airlines). In the case of Southwest, the 800 MAX is not the model/plane that received the certification. So the reference to "they can't" was intended to mean that they are not certified to fly that model to Hawaii now. Sorry for the confusion.
Mar 21, 2019, 4:06 pm
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An ETOPS certification applies to specific planes (not airlines). In the case of Southwest, the 800 MAX is not the model/plane that received the certification. So the reference to "they can't" was intended to mean that they are not certified to fly that model to Hawaii now. Sorry for the confusion.
737-MAX8: Grounded, no WN ETOPS yet
There is no "800 MAX."
Mar 21, 2019, 5:39 pm
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An ETOPS certification applies to specific planes (not airlines). In the case of Southwest, the 800 MAX is not the model/plane that received the certification. So the reference to "they can't" was intended to mean that they are not certified to fly that model to Hawaii now. Sorry for the confusion.
Once the program is approved, adding additional aircraft to the ETOPS plan is far less intensive. It doesn't matter if it's a MAX8, MAX7, 73G, 787 or whatever.
Mar 21, 2019, 6:49 pm
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My understanding:
Aircraft manufacturer's like Boeing get their plane type approved for ETOPS operation.
Carriers like Southwest get their operations ETOPS certified.
Then carriers get specific aircraft in their fleet ETOPS certified.
At the moment Southwest has a number of 737-800s ETOPS certified. They have not yet gotten certification for any of their 737-MAX8s.
Aircraft manufacturer's like Boeing get their plane type approved for ETOPS operation.
Carriers like Southwest get their operations ETOPS certified.
Then carriers get specific aircraft in their fleet ETOPS certified.
At the moment Southwest has a number of 737-800s ETOPS certified. They have not yet gotten certification for any of their 737-MAX8s.
Mar 21, 2019, 9:54 pm
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Mar 25, 2019, 10:43 am
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The real question is, how much does the economics of not having the MAX effect the WN issue? The MAX is clearly the best plane for these routes. I could see WN pulling back some until they have clarity.