Some new nonstops announced today
Mar 18, 2019, 7:21 am
#16
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ISP ≠ NYC. This discussion is just silly. WN just added flights to Hawaii. That's the only domestic market island(s) they are looking for growth through.
Mar 18, 2019, 9:08 am
#17
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Actually... I find many of these discussions humorous.
They add flights based on a few factors - biggest one being - "CAN WE MAKE A PROFIT?" serving this city and how many flights? That is driven by passenger loads, price the market will bear and cost to establish or expand a market. Among those costs are what the airport will charge them for landing and facilities and of course utilization of employees.
Folks writing letters or begging must be among the low end of decision factors.
They add flights based on a few factors - biggest one being - "CAN WE MAKE A PROFIT?" serving this city and how many flights? That is driven by passenger loads, price the market will bear and cost to establish or expand a market. Among those costs are what the airport will charge them for landing and facilities and of course utilization of employees.
Folks writing letters or begging must be among the low end of decision factors.
Mar 18, 2019, 1:07 pm
#18
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Exactly. ISP does not have anywhere near the demand of JFK, LGA, or EWR. Maybe folks should consider taking the existing non-stops from major airports to Buffalo, instead of complaining that SW won't make a non-stop that's likely to lose money on a regular basis.
Mar 18, 2019, 1:17 pm
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Mar 18, 2019, 3:18 pm
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Mar 19, 2019, 7:07 am
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Something else to consider is that by adding these flights to Nashville, WN just made flying to western destinations a little easier and provides more options flying south out of BUF. BNA serves about 20 markets non-stop that provide alternate routings, avoiding BWI and MDW, especially in the winter travel months.
Mar 19, 2019, 7:49 am
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Mar 19, 2019, 7:59 am
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ISP is solid hour+ from the other NYC airports. Relative to the OP's point of WN adding flights to ISP from BUF, I don't know many business execs who would want to add 2+ hours to their trip to save how much?
Mar 19, 2019, 8:34 am
#26
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I think that too much dependence on college students would be a bad economic move. Look at the destinations from SW from ISP, it is a heavy leisure market, not business. I would love a ISP-SNN-European destination! That would be awesome!
Mar 19, 2019, 8:35 am
#27
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Not saying business people in Manhattan will elect to use ISP. But I live about equal distance to both ISP and LGA and will use ISP every chance I can get.
I am annoyed though they took away nonstop ISP-FLL service and didn't restore it in the latest schedule extension. I wonder if/when they will restore this. Most of ISP's destinations are to Florida and I always thought ISP-FLL is a great route for them. I use FLL as a backup when I can't get a decent flight/time to PBI.
Mar 19, 2019, 10:03 am
#28
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1) neither ISP nor BUF are hubs for WN. Yes, I'm aware WN does not have hubs. Don't be pedantic.
2) How much time do you lose making a connection elsewhere flying ISP-BUF vs driving or riding the train an hour to the city?
2a) You sound like the people in Kansas City complaining they'd rather keep their ...... terminal and close parking vs having a new terminal with better flight options.
3) You can't seriously compare ISP with other NYC airports and their non-stops to BUF as I've previously noted.
4) WN isn't in the charity business. They are in this for PROFIT. College students traveling maybe once a week don't provide that, and are generally looking for flights at the absolute lowest cost. I guarantee you that most of these students are flying out of NYC airports at most once a week.
4a) I guarantee you that WN has evaluated the passenger trends of who is flying into/out of BUF and ISP and from where, and decided to not offer the service. They didn't just forget to check this out.
2) How much time do you lose making a connection elsewhere flying ISP-BUF vs driving or riding the train an hour to the city?
2a) You sound like the people in Kansas City complaining they'd rather keep their ...... terminal and close parking vs having a new terminal with better flight options.
3) You can't seriously compare ISP with other NYC airports and their non-stops to BUF as I've previously noted.
4) WN isn't in the charity business. They are in this for PROFIT. College students traveling maybe once a week don't provide that, and are generally looking for flights at the absolute lowest cost. I guarantee you that most of these students are flying out of NYC airports at most once a week.
4a) I guarantee you that WN has evaluated the passenger trends of who is flying into/out of BUF and ISP and from where, and decided to not offer the service. They didn't just forget to check this out.
Mar 19, 2019, 2:16 pm
#29
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Another ridic comment. Many of the executives live on Long Island. Much easier than JFK
Mar 19, 2019, 3:31 pm
#30
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How is that relevant? MCI gate-to-lot timing factor doesn't affect flight options. Replacing it was approved by more than 3-1 public vote. And airlines switched from supporting terminal renovation to backing a new facility 3 years ago.
