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Old Mar 13, 19, 12:47 pm
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Trump grounds Max8/9

Max 8/9 grounded, per POTUS.

What will this do to WN in the short-term?

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/so...ets-2019-03-13

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Old Mar 13, 19, 12:51 pm
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I wonder how the mechanics will maximize the hurt on Southwest with all those planes out of action.
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Old Mar 13, 19, 12:57 pm
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I wonder how the mechanics will maximize the hurt on Southwest with all those planes out of action.
Mechanics and SWA had two days of negotiations set for today and tomorrow. Forward movement - or even a tentative agreement - strikes me as more, not less likely.
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I wonder how the mechanics will maximize the hurt on Southwest with all those planes out of action.
Might make it more likely that management settles with them, management now having much bigger problems on their plates..
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Not sure he has the legal authority to do that.
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Did we delay this grounding so the POTUS could grandstand, or did he understand that the grounding was coming and just decide to take credit? Did Elaine Chao have a rough flight in the MAX from Austin to DC yesterday? Or, more probable, did she get an earful from other passengers who were similarly dissatisfied that the FAA had not taken a more aggressive and safety oriented stance.
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by dlaue View Post
Not sure he has the legal authority to do that.
i donít know but who wants to be the ding-dong to challenge Trumpís grounding of The planes?
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by dlaue View Post
Not sure he has the legal authority to do that.
If the whole world (bar the US) has banned the aircraft already (Thanks to China for starting it! Otherwise we might see this dangerous aircraft still in the air!) then it's really a no brainer, Trump or not..
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:12 pm
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Atcscc advzy 063 dcc 03/13/2019 ground stop all b38m/b39m type acftmessage:
Destination airport: All
facilities included: All
ground stop period: 131900-ufa
remarks: Ground stop is for all b38m and b39m type acft

***airborne acft are allowed to continue to destination airport*** effective time:
131905 - 141900signature:
19/03/13 19:05
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by dlaue View Post
Not sure he has the legal authority to do that.
The FAA does, and the FAA works for the president.

I'm not a fan of the grounding, but in light of pretty much everyone else grounding it there isn't much choice for now.
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:23 pm
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If the whole world (bar the US) has banned the aircraft already (Thanks to China for starting it! Otherwise we might see this dangerous aircraft still in the air!) then it's really a no brainer, Trump or not..
Yep. And he clearly has the legal authority.

I'm guessing the call went out today based on the same satellite data that forced the Canadians to change their direction on this.

Boeing will now be forced to put all hands on deck and get this fixed. The lawsuits are going to be insane. And lots of orders will be cancelled. But I'm old enough to remember when they grounded the 787. Boeing made it through that, too.

The question I have is, how does WN recover in the short-term? What is their capacity to absorb and what can they do in terms of pulling in other planes? It seems like they were already in a tough spot.
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:30 pm
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The question I have is, how does WN recover in the short-term? What is their capacity to absorb and what can they do in terms of pulling in other planes? It seems like they were already in a tough spot.
SWA could, conceivably, arrange short-term leases for some of the youngest -300s that are sitting in the desert I don't know how long it takes to reactivate an aircraft, and they'd at least have to get FAA's blessing to run the temporary -300 with segregated crews, since that was an issue that led to the Classics' retirement to begin with.
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:30 pm
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I'm curious from an operations standpoint, what happens in a groundstop if the plane is currently in the air and lands at an outstation somewhere? Does it just stay there? Or is WN allowed to ferry it without passengers to more of a maintenance base, or airport with more parking stands, etc?

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. But I'm old enough to remember when they grounded the 787. Boeing made it through that, too..
Wasn't that only 9 or 10 years ago????? or am I getting old???
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Old Mar 13, 19, 1:31 pm
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And what happens to Hawaii now?
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