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Old Jan 29, 19, 4:46 pm
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Southwest Agreed to Pay FAA for Inspector’s Time

https://www.wsj.com/articles/southwe..._copyURL_share

South.west Air.lines Co. ben.e.fited from an un.usual deal with fed.eral avi.a.tion reg.u.la.tors dur.ing the re.cent par.tial gov.ern.ment shut.down: The car.rier agreed to cover the cost of briefly re.call.ing a fur.loughed safety in.spec.tor to sign off on putting three new jets into ser.vice.
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Old Jan 29, 19, 5:56 pm
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W.hy a.re the.ir so many "......" in your p.ost?
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Originally Posted by arunhn View Post
https://www.wsj.com/articles/southwe..._copyURL_share

South.west Air.lines Co. ben.e.fited from an un.usual deal with fed.eral avi.a.tion reg.u.la.tors dur.ing the re.cent par.tial gov.ern.ment shut.down: The car.rier agreed to cover the cost of briefly re.call.ing a fur.loughed safety in.spec.tor to sign off on putting three new jets into ser.vice.
If I read this post right... the inspector will get paid TWICE. Once by the feds and once by SWA. Nuts folks. Totally nuts.
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If I read this post right... the inspector will get paid TWICE. Once by the feds and once by SWA. Nuts folks. Totally nuts.
Read the article.

SWA reimbursed the FAA for the inspector's time. They didn't cut him a check. Nothing indicates he'll be double-paid.

FAA inspectors recalled to their jobs without pay were supposed to conduct almost exclusively oversight and other functions directly related to the agency's core safety responsibilities. The FAA and Southwest entered into a reimbursable agreement to provide minimal time to complete aircraft certification services.
Clearly, it's allowed.

Arizona paid to keep the Grand Canyon gates open during the shutdown. The Park Service was funded through state revenue. New York paid $65,000 a day to keep the Statue of Liberty open.
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And apparently Delta offered to cut a check to the FAA to keep them working on the approval of the Airbus 220 to enter service to meet the original certification timeline, but the FAA declined that payment because it was a more complex certification situation than what Southwest had.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 1:22 am
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Sure, why not? If anything describes how the US government functions these days it's "pay to play."

Makes me wonder why they didn't offer to pay to facilitate the ETOPS certification process, given how much the delay will ultimately cost WN.

Or maybe they did?
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Okay... maybe I am just slow... from the article "The carrier agreed to cover the cost of briefly recalling a furloughed safety inspector..."

What were they paying for? Where did the money go?

As I understand it, all employees - working or furloughed - will still get paid.

Color me confused.
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Delta Nay SW Yea. Was that really Airbus Nay and Boeing Yea. JK.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 6:46 am
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Yes, a shutdown is a "paid" vacation that the media seems to gloss over. Only the payment of wages is deferred. The taxpayers essentially pay twice for the government work. If a job is to inspect one plane per day, the taxpayers will pay for the day the inspector stayed home and the again for the day its actually done. And its not like they are going to double up efforts for the backlog without costly overtime of sorts.

Southwest is actually saving us taxpayers money since less planes to inspect will be in the backlog AND the poor inspector didn't get paid time off!
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Old Jan 30, 19, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by joshua362 View Post
Yes, a shutdown is a "paid" vacation that the media seems to gloss over. Only the payment of wages is deferred. The taxpayers essentially pay twice for the government work. If a job is to inspect one plane per day, the taxpayers will pay for the day the inspector stayed home and the again for the day its actually done. And its not like they are going to double up efforts for the backlog without costly overtime of sorts.

Southwest is actually saving us taxpayers money since less planes to inspect will be in the backlog AND the poor inspector didn't get paid time off!
Calling it a paid vacation is pretty dickish, you know. A lot of employees worked the whole time, plus had to work harder to cover things furloughed employees would have done. Both essential and furloughed employees went a month without paychecks. Many have a lot of extra work to do playing catchup now that things are back in business, and all are worried about facing another round of this crap in a couple weeks. Paid vacation implies that furloughed folks should be grateful for their time on the beach. Complain about the government spending money on nothing, sure, but don't pretend that the employees made out like bandits during the shutdown.
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Old Jan 30, 19, 9:40 am
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Calling it a paid vacation is pretty dickish, you know... but don't pretend that the employees made out like bandits during the shutdown.
Not sure if the poster was really meaning anything bad. For some people, they still worked, and as you mentioned, they may have been working harder than normal. Some were on "vacation", but only able to afford to stay home financially. Others have enough in savings and were able to actually vacation.

It varies widely, and to think the poster was "dickish" might be a jump. Nor can one assume every federal employee was hurt either.

What makes no sense is that SWest paid somebody or some agency to do their job. Nuts.
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Originally Posted by NoStressHere View Post
Not sure if the poster was really meaning anything bad. For some people, they still worked, and as you mentioned, they may have been working harder than normal. Some were on "vacation", but only able to afford to stay home financially. Others have enough in savings and were able to actually vacation.

It varies widely, and to think the poster was "dickish" might be a jump. Nor can one assume every federal employee was hurt either.

What makes no sense is that SWest paid somebody or some agency to do their job. Nuts.
I think I just bristle at the term vacation itself. Administration officials saying furloughed employees were better off... Just think all of that is a dickish way of describing what happened to government employees.

My other half was briefly furloughed, and while we were comfortable financially, it's not like we were able to go out of town. Could be recalled at any minute, but hearing crazy talk of months or years... The term vacation isn't even close.
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What makes no sense is that SWest paid somebody or some agency to do their job. Nuts.
Makes perfect sense. The airline wins, and taxpayers lose nothing.

What's nuts is implying SWA cut a personal check to an inspector who pocketed the money and will be paid twice. About 14,000 of the FAAs 45,000 employees were furloughed; the rest (inspectors and engineers) were essential and reported to work.
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Originally Posted by LegalTender View Post
Makes perfect sense. The airline wins, and taxpayers lose nothing.

What's nuts is implying SWA cut a personal check to an inspector who pocketed the money and will be paid twice. About 14,000 of the FAAs 45,000 employees were furloughed; the rest (inspectors and engineers) were essential and reported to work.
Where did the money go?

The whole thing defies logic. Even shutting down the government defies logic. As mentioned, plenty still went to work anyways. (my tongue is now bleeding as I work hard not to get political)

Still - just trying to figure this out. Normally, the FAA inspects planes and deems them airworthy. Inspectors not available due to "shutdown". But, somehow a check makes it happen. The worker still did not get paid. Eventually the FAA gets the federal funding to be operational. Eventually they pay the worker.

Where does that check from SWest go?
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