Hawaii ETOPS approved by FAA
Feb 25, 2019, 3:32 pm
#152
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GK: SWA Has "Verbal Approval" For Hawaii
Formal authorization awaits.
Edit:
USA Today jumped the gun. An hour later "clarifies' Kelly's remarks:
Formal authorization awaits.
Southwest Airlines has received verbal approval from the FAA to begin Hawaii flights, with formal approval expected in the coming days, CEO Gary Kelly told employees at a rally in Dallas Monday.
Southwest did not release any details on the timing of ticket sales, when the flights will begin or where it will launch the first flights.
Kelly has previously said Southwest would start selling tickets within days of receiving FAA certification for long overwater flights, with the first flights within weeks of that.
Southwest did not release any details on the timing of ticket sales, when the flights will begin or where it will launch the first flights.
Kelly has previously said Southwest would start selling tickets within days of receiving FAA certification for long overwater flights, with the first flights within weeks of that.
USA Today jumped the gun. An hour later "clarifies' Kelly's remarks:
Southwest Airlines received a "thumbs up'' from the FAA on its Hawaii test flights and is now awaiting formal approval, CEO Gary Kelly told employees at a rally in Dallas Monday.
Last edited by LegalTender; Feb 25, 2019 at 3:53 pm Reason: USA Today Correction
Feb 25, 2019, 4:01 pm
#153
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GK: SWA Has "Verbal Approval" For Hawaii
Formal authorization awaits.
Edit:
USA Today jumped the gun. An hour later "clarifies' Kelly's remarks:
Formal authorization awaits.
Edit:
USA Today jumped the gun. An hour later "clarifies' Kelly's remarks:
Feb 25, 2019, 4:02 pm
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I don't know what the contentious issues are so I can't say, but since the various employee groups are represented by different unions and have different priories what is 'Major" to one might not be to another. If business plans include protecting profits that may be in direct conflict with the Union;'s priorities. What is "generous" to one side may seem paltry to the other. Southwest's reputation seems pretty secure, unless there is a prolonged strike which seems unlikely, unless one side is so dug into it's position or so angry won't can't compromise.
And it's pretty clear that 10+ years without a new contract, 6+ years in "negotiations" suggests compromise is a foreign concept to both sides.
Feb 25, 2019, 4:39 pm
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Feb 25, 2019, 6:28 pm
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If you took note to the Oscars last night and Tina Fay's remarks about staying on stage to fool the USA Today, that was a direct mockery of newspapers continuously jumping the gun on news stories only to be horribly incorrect.
Feb 25, 2019, 6:50 pm
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I don't know how much Southwest's reputation is at stake if the public believes the mechanics as being unreasonable.
Feb 25, 2019, 7:42 pm
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The airline wants flexibility. The union wants to minimize outsourcing and maintenance abroad. Nothing especially new or novel. The "licking their chops" conjecture is on you. Both sides have righteous stakes.
Hawaii may hinge on a truce.
Hawaii may hinge on a truce.
Feb 25, 2019, 10:33 pm
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Most do seem to understand that it is some sort of employee disagreement, but ultimately blame management for not being able to control the situation.
Because, duh.
Feb 26, 2019, 5:56 am
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It's not an abstraction it may be a state of mind, like the reported 100 or so who are "working to the agreement". Some Mechanics may believe they have outsize bargaining power in the run up to the launching of Hawaii.
I don't know how much Southwest's reputation is at stake if the public believes the mechanics as being unreasonable.
I don't know how much Southwest's reputation is at stake if the public believes the mechanics as being unreasonable.
Feb 26, 2019, 6:11 am
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Really, there's already a separate thread on this particular discussion, so I would hope that folks would take their opinions there so we can keep this thread full of hopeful Hawaii news.
Feb 26, 2019, 6:26 am
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Feb 26, 2019, 9:46 am
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Alaska Airlines is preparing for battle: https://loyaltytraveler.boardingarea...awaii-258-318/
Feb 26, 2019, 10:25 am
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I have been anxiously lurking in this forum, in the hope that if/when WN eventually offers service, it may put some price pressure on AS. As we are now in the midst of spring and summer leisure travel planning, I am becoming less optimistic by the day this will occur in a meaningful way - at least for 2019.
According to https://aviationweek.com/awincommerc...l-hawaii-fleet, " ... Southwest’s initial ETOPS sub-fleet will have 28 ... ". A significant portion of those aircraft are already in service to the Caribbean and Mexico, I am wondering how many will be available for service to Hawaii? As WN does not fly redeyes, claims plans to offer interisland service on the TPAC aircraft, I do not see how WN can mount a serious threat to AS or HA, move the needle much on fares.
It would not surprise me to see very limited WGA fares / RR availability, backlash from anxious loyalists hoping to use companion passes, redeem points.
Pass the popcorn, please - this is going to get interesting.
Feb 26, 2019, 10:28 am
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Discounted fares on very limited basic economy inventory, days of travel. I booked a couple of April trips (most in upgradeable coach fare buckets) to Hawaii on AS a few weeks back, those fares are slowly creeping up.
I have been anxiously lurking in this forum, in the hope that if/when WN eventually offers service, it may put some price pressure on AS. As we are now in the midst of spring and summer leisure travel planning, I am becoming less optimistic by the day this will occur in a meaningful way - at least for 2019.
According to https://aviationweek.com/awincommerc...l-hawaii-fleet, " ... Southwest’s initial ETOPS sub-fleet will have 28 ... ". A significant portion of those aircraft are already in service to the Caribbean and Mexico, I am wondering how many will be available for service to Hawaii? As WN does not fly redeyes, claims plans to offer interisland service on the TPAC aircraft, I do not see how WN can mount a serious threat to AS or HA, move the needle much on fares.
It would not surprise me to see very limited WGA fares / RR availability, backlash from anxious loyalists hoping to use companion passes, redeem points.
Pass the popcorn, please - this is going to get interesting.
I have been anxiously lurking in this forum, in the hope that if/when WN eventually offers service, it may put some price pressure on AS. As we are now in the midst of spring and summer leisure travel planning, I am becoming less optimistic by the day this will occur in a meaningful way - at least for 2019.
According to https://aviationweek.com/awincommerc...l-hawaii-fleet, " ... Southwest’s initial ETOPS sub-fleet will have 28 ... ". A significant portion of those aircraft are already in service to the Caribbean and Mexico, I am wondering how many will be available for service to Hawaii? As WN does not fly redeyes, claims plans to offer interisland service on the TPAC aircraft, I do not see how WN can mount a serious threat to AS or HA, move the needle much on fares.
It would not surprise me to see very limited WGA fares / RR availability, backlash from anxious loyalists hoping to use companion passes, redeem points.
Pass the popcorn, please - this is going to get interesting.