CNN reporting SW plane skids off BUR runway upon landing

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Dec 8, 2018, 9:44 am

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Some of the ATC conversation

Dec 10, 2018, 1:05 am

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Is it me, or is Southwest having more than its share of runway overruns in the last few years?

WN carries more passengers, and completes more flights, than any other airline in the U.S. Delta, in 2nd place, isn't even close any more like they were 20 years ago. So, if runway overruns happen at random, it's more likely to be a Southwest flight than another airline.

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They also overran BUR the same way in snow about a decade ago right?

Snow in BUR? LOL

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Dec 10, 2018, 9:25 am

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According to this site, Southwest had 1,313,573 domestic flights vs Delta at 917,231.

Do, odds are higher for SWA.

Dec 10, 2018, 10:41 am

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Lessons learned is what counts, not statistical modeling.

Unless you have landing data for a -700, wet with standing water, 10 knots tailwind.

Dec 10, 2018, 1:16 pm

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Check out those gas prices.

I paid $1.79 in South Carolina a couple days ago.

Dec 10, 2018, 3:00 pm

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Lessons learned is what counts, not statistical modeling.

Unless you have landing data for a -700, wet with standing water, 10 knots tailwind.

Very true... just countering those that say SW seems to have lots of these. There are lots of variables like what you mention, along with other weather like precip, humidity, pilot experience, flight load, relative age of tires and brakes, related equipment, etc, etc.

Dec 10, 2018, 3:53 pm

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Originally Posted by NoStressHere

There are lots of variables like what you mention, along with other weather like precip, humidity, pilot experience, flight load, relative age of tires and brakes, related equipment, etc, etc.

Maximum allowable tailwind: "Southwest says 10 knots; five if the runway is contaminated."

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BUR Tower: "Southwest 278, heavy precipitation now directly over top of Burbank airport"

SWA 278: "Perfect, thanks.

Dec 10, 2018, 4:53 pm

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How do they get the plane out of the EMAS?

Dec 10, 2018, 5:25 pm

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How do they get the plane out of the EMAS?

The aircraft was pulled out that night digging out the material behind it and then towing it in reverse. The weather webcam on the VSP Parking @ BUR had an interesting 24-hour time-lapse of it happening, but I couldn't find anyone that saved the gif.

Dec 10, 2018, 5:46 pm

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If there was a 10 knot tail wind, I don't understand why they didn't land in the opposite direction.

Dec 10, 2018, 8:33 pm

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Originally Posted by lougord99

If there was a 10 knot tail wind, I don't understand why they didn't land in the opposite direction.

Per some folks at Aviation Herald, it's not allowed because high terrain south and east of the airport means you can't get a shallow enough glide path angle for safe landing in that direction.

Dec 10, 2018, 8:40 pm

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BUR just needs some carrier-style arresting wires ... wheels down at ~130 knots? No sweat. Also teach them stubborn pax that can't remember to stay belted and keep the trays up a lesson while you're at it

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Dec 10, 2018, 8:43 pm

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With a very common 737-800 the landing speed is about 180-200 knots. OK, so thicker cables

Dec 10, 2018, 11:33 pm

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Originally Posted by lougord99

If there was a 10 knot tail wind, I don't understand why they didn't land in the opposite direction.

Landing on Rwy 26 (same runway, opposite direction) requires visual meteorological conditions. There is ho instrument approach to Rwy 26. Weather at the time was one-mile visibility in heavy rain. Rwy 8 was the only runway that had an approach which was legal with visibility that low.

The yet unanswered question is if at their weight, and those conditions, they were legal to land on Rwy 8 with the tailwind.