Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
Jul 2, 2019, 9:19 am
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Kelly in the news...
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...-disappointing
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TW3N4
Looks like reality is starting to sink in.
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...-disappointing
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TW3N4
Looks like reality is starting to sink in.
Jul 5, 2019, 2:56 pm
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Boeing 737 Max's Autopilot Has Problem, European Regulators Find
EASA’s checklist includes a number of issues that have been disclosed: the potential difficulty pilots have in turning the jet’s manual trim wheel, the unreliability of the Max’s angle of attack sensors, inadequate training procedures, and a software issue flagged just last week by the FAA pertaining to a lagging microprocessor. But the agency also listed a previously unreported concern: the autopilot failing to disengage in certain emergencies.
Jul 5, 2019, 7:43 pm
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There is no answer, but I am curious if all these problems are because of the extreme scrutiny given to this aircraft or if it really is this bad. If this amount of scrutiny was given to any other Boeing or Airbus plane, would just as many problems be found.
Jul 5, 2019, 8:12 pm
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The B787s have numerous QC problems in manufacturing, perhaps worse than the MAXs, but the sensation isn't there.
Jul 6, 2019, 6:27 am
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If any other brand new Boeing or Airbus model had two fatal crashes within five months, for the same reason, I guarantee you there would be extreme scrutiny on those models as well. @:-)
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Jul 6, 2019, 7:33 am
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Of course there would be and there should be. That wasn't my point. I am just musing about whether this plane is as flawed as it seems to my unschooled eye or would all planes exhibit as many problems.
Jul 6, 2019, 8:30 am
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Suggesting the plane isn't "as flawed as it seems" in a broader context is mighty bighearted.
Jul 6, 2019, 11:52 pm
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I think your point has some validity. At least with respect to the latest issues, which may not be related to the crashes or even the MCASs problems and only came to light following the extended testing (and greater willingness to listen to the pilots).
I think it's likely that other aircraft types would probably also have problems discovered if subjected to similar scrutiny, but on those with lengthy flying history I suspect potential issues would be minor or triggered by rare circumstances.
I think it's likely that other aircraft types would probably also have problems discovered if subjected to similar scrutiny, but on those with lengthy flying history I suspect potential issues would be minor or triggered by rare circumstances.
Jul 7, 2019, 7:47 am
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If you're saying that other plane models, under such tight scrutiny, would reveal a myriad of "problems," then yes, that's kind of obvious.
What you're missing here is that other models, despite their likely underlying flaws, have enough redundancies and/or the flaws are not critical enough to cause them to fall out of the sky like the 737 MAX-8 did. @:-)
Killing 350 people in two separate crashes just five months apart, as a new model aircraft, for the exact same apparent reason, is kind of different. Just a bit. Kind of.
What you're missing here is that other models, despite their likely underlying flaws, have enough redundancies and/or the flaws are not critical enough to cause them to fall out of the sky like the 737 MAX-8 did. @:-)
Killing 350 people in two separate crashes just five months apart, as a new model aircraft, for the exact same apparent reason, is kind of different. Just a bit. Kind of.
Jul 7, 2019, 7:48 am
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All planes do exhibit problems. Airworthiness Directives typically attract little media attention. Many identify loose components, fuselage cracks, corrosion damage and fan blade failure.
Emergency AD's do demand the public's attention. I don't think a fair reading of FAA 737 AD's since 2007 supports the notion that relentless MAX scrutiny is an aberration.
AD's For All Series of Boeing 737 Since July 2007
Emergency AD's do demand the public's attention. I don't think a fair reading of FAA 737 AD's since 2007 supports the notion that relentless MAX scrutiny is an aberration.
AD's For All Series of Boeing 737 Since July 2007
Jul 16, 2019, 4:03 am
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The statement that Southwest is married to Boeing is going to see its day in court. It was extremely unwise to express such certainty in Boeing by Kelly.
Boeing and Southwest Airlines conspired to hide flaws in the 737 Max jet, lawsuit alleges
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/07/15/boeing-southwest-airlines-conspired-hide-flaws-max-jet-lawsuit-alleges/
Boeing and Southwest Airlines conspired to hide flaws in the 737 Max jet, lawsuit alleges
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/07/15/boeing-southwest-airlines-conspired-hide-flaws-max-jet-lawsuit-alleges/
Jul 16, 2019, 12:59 pm
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Boeing 737 Max grounding hits Southwest's pilot hiring
Makes me wonder if they are holding back on pulling Max flights through November until they fix the "free changes for everyone" system issue loophole.
Southwest Airlines said it delayed hiring for two classes of new pilots, which have about 25 apiece, and postponed captain upgrades for two other classes of current pilots because it isn't clear when the Max planes will fly again.
