Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
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Unexpected source, but a very detailed write-up of the doomed Ethiopian airlines flight:
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...cockpit-wheels
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/...cockpit-wheels
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Pilots Criticize Boeing, Saying 737 Max 'Should Never Have Been Approved'
He and Carey dismissed suggestions that the crashes could not have happened in the U.S., where pilots are required to have a lot of experience and more rigorous training before flying commercial airliners.
"Some (U.S.) crews would have recognized it in time to recover, but some would not have," Carey testified. Sullenberger agreed, saying it's unlikely that more experienced pilots would have had different outcomes, adding, "we shouldn't have to expect pilots to compensate for flawed designs."
"Some (U.S.) crews would have recognized it in time to recover, but some would not have," Carey testified. Sullenberger agreed, saying it's unlikely that more experienced pilots would have had different outcomes, adding, "we shouldn't have to expect pilots to compensate for flawed designs."
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https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/stor...9-83BE6209F817
New flight control issue, a microprocessor fault.
See ya in 2020, MAX. Maybe.
New flight control issue, a microprocessor fault.
See ya in 2020, MAX. Maybe.
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I'll bet on sometime in 3Q19. As someone who works in SW I know firsthand the news media's understanding of technical issues can be ridiculously off, so "microprocessor fault" probably (and almost certainly) means "reprogrammable firmware issue" (i.e., yet another SW update).
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Boeing needs to put all those LEAP engines in a scrap pile, and go back to engines which naturally fit a 737 airframe such as the CFM56 series. Then they can rip out the MCAS and be done with "software fixes."
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Although officially they announced Sept. 2 as the date through which they were adjusting the schedule the last time around, Southwest actually pulled MAX through October 1. Are you saying they are pulling the planes out into October now, or just through the end of September?
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Although officially they announced Sept. 2 as the date through which they were adjusting the schedule the last time around, Southwest actually pulled MAX through October 1. Are you saying they are pulling the planes out into October now, or just through the end of September?
EDIT: My original flights were not on MAX aircraft.
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My personal experience is only with September dates. Call center seemed exhausted when I called in an attempt to cancel to LUV voucher rather than TTF so I coupled with flight change notification within 24 hours of more negative MAX news I assumed a new block of dates got schedule changed today rather than residual staggering of the flight change notifications.
EDIT: My original flights were not on MAX aircraft.
EDIT: My original flights were not on MAX aircraft.
On your situation: I'm not sure I understand. Were vouchers used to book your affected itinerary?
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...hour-engineers
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America’s favorite form of cost-cutting finally comes home to roost.
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America’s favorite form of cost-cutting finally comes home to roost.
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Unfortunately, the 737-MXA8 won't be ready to put back in the air for a while. They will returns into the skies sometimes in October or November during at that time.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/s...132000845.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/s...132000845.html
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October is very unlikely. November is optimistic.
Nevertheless, Boeing doesn't expect to have a fix ready for certification until at least September, according to Reuters. After that, it will take weeks for the FAA to make a final decision. It would then take at least a month for most airlines to get their 737 MAX fleets back in the air, due to the need for software updates, maintenance work, and additional pilot training.
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I doubt they fly before next spring. The airlines do not need them once the travel season is over. And the earlier they put them in the air the more they risk a pax pushback. The longer they wait, the better chance everybody is on to the next issue.
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Kelly in the news...
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...-disappointing
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TW3N4
Looks like reality is starting to sink in.
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...-disappointing
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1TW3N4
Looks like reality is starting to sink in.