Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
Apr 13, 2019, 4:48 pm
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Presumably Boeing would have been given first/only priority on whatever new aircraft they'd offer after the 737. Sounds like that might not be a given anymore, but we'll see.
Apr 14, 2019, 2:19 am
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Alternately, this can be seen as a major, public rebuke of Boeing by their largest current customer.
Whatever the motivation for the statement, it's definitely significant.
Apr 14, 2019, 9:08 am
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Received an email late last night with an auto rebooking of my 06/28 MDW->SEA flight. Fortunately it was just a change in the flight number (from WN1821 to WN5914) . I assume it is a 800 series jet replacing the original 737-MAX plane.
Apr 14, 2019, 12:46 pm
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Whether it's an idea the union really wants to pursue discussing, or just a messaging strategy in the heat of the moment, only they know.
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Apr 14, 2019, 3:14 pm
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Let’s remember a couple of weeks ago when a bunch of very rude and insulting flyertalkers were talking out of their butts about how safe this bird was. They claimed I was overreacting about planning to protest at the gate if I were not allowed to change flights for free. And said I should be arrested for causing a scene at the airport if I didn’t get my way. Look at this situation now. There is no doubt at all this bird is unsafe and was never airworthy. The FAA’s reputation for safety is completely ruined for good reason. Even the Chinese air authority is more trustworthy despite its own political bias. This is my “I told you so” for the many wrong flyertalkers who assumed we were just worry warts who didn’t know planes are the safest way to travel. Game over losers.
Apr 14, 2019, 7:41 pm
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Let’s remember a couple of weeks ago when a bunch of very rude and insulting flyertalkers were talking out of their butts about how safe this bird was. They claimed I was overreacting about planning to protest at the gate if I were not allowed to change flights for free. And said I should be arrested for causing a scene at the airport if I didn’t get my way. Look at this situation now. There is no doubt at all this bird is unsafe and was never airworthy. The FAA’s reputation for safety is completely ruined for good reason. Even the Chinese air authority is more trustworthy despite its own political bias. This is my “I told you so” for the many wrong flyertalkers who assumed we were just worry warts who didn’t know planes are the safest way to travel. Game over losers.
(For me, the first crash felt very anomalous; the second created a pattern, and I was alarmed that Boeing and the FAA dragged their feet on grounding so thoroughly.)
Apr 14, 2019, 8:00 pm
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Apr 14, 2019, 8:21 pm
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There's no doubt now that MCAS was the cause of both crashes, which is very different than saying that the rest of the 737MAX has issues that should have caused it never to have been certified. For all we know, the 737MAX will end up having trouble-free service for many years to come after Boeing's software fix is pushed out to the field.
Yep, I think it's a huge black mark on their record. If the whole thing is managed correctly, however (e.g. passing any reforms that investigations conclude are necessary and following through on any warranted criminal charges), I think the FAA could ultimately move on with fairly little long term damage. Boeing might have more work cut out for them to achieve the same result though.
That said, I'm not sure those reforms will happen given who's in charge right now.
Yep, I think it's a huge black mark on their record. If the whole thing is managed correctly, however (e.g. passing any reforms that investigations conclude are necessary and following through on any warranted criminal charges), I think the FAA could ultimately move on with fairly little long term damage. Boeing might have more work cut out for them to achieve the same result though.
That said, I'm not sure those reforms will happen given who's in charge right now.
Apr 16, 2019, 9:13 pm
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@cnni: A Federal Aviation Administration panel found changes Boeing made to a 737 Max stabilization system to be "operationally suitable" and signed off on a training plan for the plane
@cnni: A Federal Aviation Administration panel found changes Boeing made to a 737 Max stabilization system to be "operationally suitable" and signed off on a training plan for the plane
Apr 16, 2019, 11:17 pm
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@cnni: A Federal Aviation Administration panel found changes Boeing made to a 737 Max stabilization system to be "operationally suitable" and signed off on a training plan for the plane
@cnni: A Federal Aviation Administration panel found changes Boeing made to a 737 Max stabilization system to be "operationally suitable" and signed off on a training plan for the plane
What... wasn't that how the crashes happened in the first place?
Apr 17, 2019, 7:58 am
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The Federal Aviation Administration isn’t planning to mandate simulator training targeting potential MCAS misfires. American Airlines' voluntary effort to go beyond minimum federal requirements hasn’t been reported before.
Southwest and United, the other carriers with MAX aircraft, don't intend to adopt similar training changes, the officials said.
Southwest and United, the other carriers with MAX aircraft, don't intend to adopt similar training changes, the officials said.
Apr 17, 2019, 6:24 pm
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Every time you want to add to the fleet a full analysis is done on all options. This has been the case in the past, present, and future. I don't think there is such thing as priority, Boeing and the 737 have just won in the past.
Apr 17, 2019, 8:04 pm
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Apr 18, 2019, 4:05 am
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AA pilots will do SIM training on the MAX.
I am going to reach out to Southwest on social media and more importantly the press! Everyone who feels the same should do so as well.
This is strictly a cost saving measure. Keep in mind the world regulators have voiced their opinion that the FAA's directives such as being the last agency to ground the MAX (and letting Boeing self certify) are inadequate.
I applaud AA for doing this. Is it too much to ask that the pilots flying me and my family have completed training and MCAS scenarios on an honest to goodness MAX simulator?
It is important to note that AA was also the first (only) airline to buy the $80,000 AOA sensor digital display option before the crash/crashes. Southwest only did so afterwards.
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