Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
Mar 12, 2019, 7:30 pm
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The most unsafe commercial aircraft was Concorde, with 11 fatal flights per million flights
Second place is 737max with 4 fatal flights per million flights. (2 fatal flights in 500K flights so far)
The prior 737 has just 0.2 fatal flights per million.
If you flew 737max very frequently, but not as frequently as driving... say 5 round trips (10 flights) a week for 35 years, you have a 7.28% chance of dying during your lifetime flying this bird (1 in 250K odds). Your chances of dying from a car crash is about 1% during your lifetime. Your chances of dying as a passenger in a car crash is 0.17% (1 in 572).
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-b...203441321.html
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...mortality-risk
No thank you, Southwest. I'll ride the bus if necessary.
Second place is 737max with 4 fatal flights per million flights. (2 fatal flights in 500K flights so far)
The prior 737 has just 0.2 fatal flights per million.
If you flew 737max very frequently, but not as frequently as driving... say 5 round trips (10 flights) a week for 35 years, you have a 7.28% chance of dying during your lifetime flying this bird (1 in 250K odds). Your chances of dying from a car crash is about 1% during your lifetime. Your chances of dying as a passenger in a car crash is 0.17% (1 in 572).
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-b...203441321.html
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...mortality-risk
No thank you, Southwest. I'll ride the bus if necessary.
Have fun on the bus! (And all of those terrible bus crashes that I see in the news...it is a rough world out there).
Mar 12, 2019, 8:04 pm
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The wing tips are another way to tell. All MAX's have a winglet that points both up and down. Older aircraft have a winglet that only turns up - but be aware, there are or will be MAX style retrofits available.
Mar 12, 2019, 8:10 pm
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Here's an article from 2014 announcing adding them to a bunch to 800s (predating the delivery of any MAX's):
https://worldairlinenews.com/2014/01...eing-737-800s/
Mar 12, 2019, 8:13 pm
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This is not correct and is an unreliable way to determine a/c type.
Mar 12, 2019, 8:28 pm
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Don't you mean "until you land at your destination"? Planes have been boarded and then deboarded at the gate for aircraft swaps, flights are diverted, people get VDBs/IDBs, etc.
Mar 12, 2019, 8:35 pm
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No one is forcing you unless you're being deported or extradited. Just say no, even at the gate or after boarding.
Mar 12, 2019, 10:03 pm
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Mar 12, 2019, 10:18 pm
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Mar 13, 2019, 12:34 am
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Given the frequency of WN flights on many major routes, is easy enough to avoid the MAX unless you get a last minute equipment swap.
Personally I've done a complete 180 after the second crash. I think it is worth it to avoid a 1/250,000 chance of premature death but YMMV and admittedly them odds are pretty low... Consider also we don't know how many other misses or near misses have not been widely reported because the pilots managed to disengage the software (assuming that was the cause). I certainly would not choose to drive (where your chance of death is immensely higher) but I do have a choice of airlines and flights and WN often isn't even the lowest priced. It is for the same reason I stick to first world airlines if at all possible. The odds are just significantly better.
Personally I've done a complete 180 after the second crash. I think it is worth it to avoid a 1/250,000 chance of premature death but YMMV and admittedly them odds are pretty low... Consider also we don't know how many other misses or near misses have not been widely reported because the pilots managed to disengage the software (assuming that was the cause). I certainly would not choose to drive (where your chance of death is immensely higher) but I do have a choice of airlines and flights and WN often isn't even the lowest priced. It is for the same reason I stick to first world airlines if at all possible. The odds are just significantly better.
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Mar 13, 2019, 9:25 am
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Given the frequency of WN flights on many major routes, is easy enough to avoid the MAX unless you get a last minute equipment swap.
Personally I've done a complete 180 after the second crash. I think it is worth it to avoid a 1/250,000 chance of premature death but YMMV and admittedly them odds are pretty low... Consider also we don't know how many other misses or near misses have not been widely reported because the pilots managed to disengage the software (assuming that was the cause). I certainly would not choose to drive (where your chance of death is immensely higher) but I do have a choice of airlines and flights and WN often isn't even the lowest priced. It is for the same reason I stick to first world airlines if at all possible. The odds are just significantly better.
Personally I've done a complete 180 after the second crash. I think it is worth it to avoid a 1/250,000 chance of premature death but YMMV and admittedly them odds are pretty low... Consider also we don't know how many other misses or near misses have not been widely reported because the pilots managed to disengage the software (assuming that was the cause). I certainly would not choose to drive (where your chance of death is immensely higher) but I do have a choice of airlines and flights and WN often isn't even the lowest priced. It is for the same reason I stick to first world airlines if at all possible. The odds are just significantly better.
My reasons were more operational in nature. Over the last few weeks, I have had significant mechanical delays of anywhere between 3-6 hours on WN. I cannot trust that this issue with MAX isn't going to create an even bigger mess,especially if they end up grounded.
Mar 13, 2019, 9:52 am
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... Personally I've done a complete 180 after the second crash. I think it is worth it to avoid a 1/250,000 chance of premature death but YMMV and admittedly them odds are pretty low... Consider also we don't know how many other misses or near misses have not been widely reported because the pilots managed to disengage the software (assuming that was the cause). I certainly would not choose to drive (where your chance of death is immensely higher) but I do have a choice of airlines and flights and WN often isn't even the lowest priced. It is for the same reason I stick to first world airlines if at all possible. The odds are just significantly better.
The MAX has flown under 20,000 flights, so the odds would around 1/10,000 per flight if the crashes represent the real risk.
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Mar 13, 2019, 10:26 am
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Canada bans MAX 8 & 9 from airspace
Mar 13, 2019, 10:44 am
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Now that even Canada has grounded the Max, the pressure will really mount on the FAA or airlines to ground it, My buddy who works at MDW said that everyone is flipping out saying they won’t fly on the Max and that they have to reassure passengers that it will be safe.