Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
Mar 10, 2019, 11:49 am
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Personally, I've got no less confidence in WN's OPS. I'm going back and forth to FL this week and could possibly end up on a Max 8 ... <shrug>
Mar 10, 2019, 1:46 pm
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Mar 10, 2019, 2:30 pm
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The plane showed unstable vertical speed after takeoff, air traffic monitor Flightradar 24 said in a Twitter post. Visibility appeared to be clear.
Mar 10, 2019, 2:44 pm
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there’s been a double crash of the same model under (initially) very similar circumstances within months of each other.... SINCE THE 60s!
If that’s not a reason to keep them on the ground until things are figured out... I don’t know what is.
Mar 10, 2019, 3:24 pm
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Certainly they should and certainly they won't.
Mar 10, 2019, 4:52 pm
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If you ground the airplanes without knowing whether a problem even exists, let alone what the problem is, let alone the solution, when could you ever bring those airplanes back into service? I suppose if this turns out to have been terrorism, that would suffice, but sometimes we never solve the mystery.
Mar 10, 2019, 5:21 pm
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If you ground the airplanes without knowing whether a problem even exists, let alone what the problem is, let alone the solution, when could you ever bring those airplanes back into service? I suppose if this turns out to have been terrorism, that would suffice, but sometimes we never solve the mystery.
Should we expect Southwest's pilots to know the right process in the meantime? sure. But are Southwest's pilots THAT much better than an overseas star alliance pilot who had thousands of hours experience on type? Doubtful.
Is there a chance Southwest pilots will follow the emergency directive in good weather clear skies like in Ethiopia or Indonesia? I'd like to think so.
BUT how will they perform on their 1st leg of the day if hungover, or 7th leg of the day if drowsy? What about taking off in horrible weather, blackout or IFR conditions? Are they still THAT much better than foreign pilots? I have to think not.
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Mar 10, 2019, 5:27 pm
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If you ground the airplanes without knowing whether a problem even exists, let alone what the problem is, let alone the solution, when could you ever bring those airplanes back into service? I suppose if this turns out to have been terrorism, that would suffice, but sometimes we never solve the mystery.
Mar 10, 2019, 5:30 pm
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Mar 10, 2019, 8:14 pm
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Mar 10, 2019, 9:49 pm
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From The Points Guy:
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Yeah, I'm not gonna be flying these until they figure it out.
The preliminary investigation following Lion Air Flight 610 revealed that prior to the crash, a system called Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System or MCAS had engaged, without the pilots’ knowledge. The MCAS lowers the nose automatically to prevent a stall, or the loss of lift, if it detects that the angle of the plane’s nose is too high relative to the ground. A malfunctioning sensor may have led the MCAS to engage repeatedly, countering the pilots’ maneuvers.
However, Diehl does see one of the Boeing 737 MAX’s most advanced flight features — the MCAS implicated in the crash of Lion Air 610 — as one of its biggest flaws as well. The system creates “a different flying experience” for pilots, because you “can’t overpower it with the MAX.”
Mar 10, 2019, 10:27 pm
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Need practical advice. How do you tell if the Southwest flight you're taking has the 737-max? I have multiple flights coming up so this is a bit pressing.
I'm disappointed that neither Southwest nor the FAA has reacted to either address our concerns or grounded the aircraft. I'm not happy with two crashes that are very similar in just five months. It's a joke that the Chinese are leading the way in flight safety. You don't have to ground the aircraft, but there's been plenty of time to say something.
I'm disappointed that neither Southwest nor the FAA has reacted to either address our concerns or grounded the aircraft. I'm not happy with two crashes that are very similar in just five months. It's a joke that the Chinese are leading the way in flight safety. You don't have to ground the aircraft, but there's been plenty of time to say something.
Mar 10, 2019, 10:32 pm
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Parallel threads.
How to see which type of aircraft my Southwest flights will use? (737 MAX concerns)
To repeat an often repeated disclaimer, Southwest does & will often swap aircraft sub-types with little or no notice.
How to see which type of aircraft my Southwest flights will use? (737 MAX concerns)
To repeat an often repeated disclaimer, Southwest does & will often swap aircraft sub-types with little or no notice.
Mar 10, 2019, 10:38 pm
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Need practical advice. How do you tell if the Southwest flight you're taking has the 737-max? I have multiple flights coming up so this is a bit pressing.
I'm disappointed that neither Southwest nor the FAA has reacted to either address our concerns or grounded the aircraft. I'm not happy with two crashes that are very similar in just five months. It's a joke that the Chinese are leading the way in flight safety. You don't have to ground the aircraft, but there's been plenty of time to say something.
I'm disappointed that neither Southwest nor the FAA has reacted to either address our concerns or grounded the aircraft. I'm not happy with two crashes that are very similar in just five months. It's a joke that the Chinese are leading the way in flight safety. You don't have to ground the aircraft, but there's been plenty of time to say something.
Oh please, with China, it's more political than anything. Pretty sure ARJ21s could start falling out of the sky on a daily basis and the government wouldn't ground them.
And I personally believe that most of the blame for the Lionair crash goes to Lionair and not Boeing. It's my understanding that pilots from the previous four flights of that jet reported unreliable airspeed indications. The AoA sensor was replaced, the problem still persisted. On the second to last flight, the plane entered an abrupt, steep dive with the pilots were able to recover from. Lionair let the plane go back up in the air for what would be its final flight. That jet wasn't airworthy, and should've never been allowed in the air with passengers until the problem was fixed and completed an uneventful test flight.
