Finally! get rid of fake service dogs!
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Um... these proposed rule changes, upon which comments are being sought, are pretty timid. It's not really much of a step forward.
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The path from 'Request for comment' to 'Final rule' can be very long on a contentious issue. If there's something that's in effect within two years of today, color me surprised.
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It's a start!
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Originally Posted by ursine1
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Um... these proposed rule changes, upon which comments are being sought, are pretty timid. It's not really much of a step forward.
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Suggested change: definition of a service animal should be consistent with federal statue (eg. dog only)
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Originally Posted by Troopers
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What's the basis of your comment?
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
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The path from 'Request for comment' to 'Final rule' can be very long on a contentious issue. If there's something that's in effect within two years of today, color me surprised.
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Originally Posted by ursine1
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Did you read the rule changes?
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Originally Posted by Troopers
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i did. So are you going to provide insight to your comment or deflect with another question? Lets look at the proposed rule changes. My comments follow each proposal.
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The current DOT rules are just fine. It is the carriers', including WN, which have rules not as tough as DOT permits.
The key DOT provision is that carriers may require a written diagnosis from a licensed professional of a DSM III mental disease or defect. That is not a fake diagnosis which most people, other than Cpl. Klinger, likely want in their medical records and most professionals licensed to make that type of diagnosis are not likely to run around signing letters without a full examination. |
Originally Posted by Troopers
(Post 29762274)
Suggested change: definition of a service animal should be consistent with federal statue (eg. dog only)
The DOT isn't asking you to suggest proposed rule changes, they're asking you to comment on the ones they're proposing. That's how the process works. This proposed change is the closest to what you suggest: (4) limiting the species of service animals and emotional support animals that airlines are required to transport; But that most likely refers to codifying into law excluding exotic species like insects and reptiles, which many carriers already do as a matter of policy. (See the Interim Statement for more insight.) It's highly unlikely that the law would be revised to disallow cats, for example, or specifically allow only dogs as you've suggested. That's not what is being proposed. Also, ultimately, doing as you suggest would affect only a very small number of travelers with PSAs or ESAs, and would do absolutely nothing to "get rid of fake service dogs," the perhaps rudely-stated goal of most passengers expressing the need for changes to existing policy. |
Originally Posted by Often1
(Post 29762560)
The current DOT rules are just fine. It is the carriers', including WN, which have rules not as tough as DOT permits.
The key DOT provision is that carriers may require a written diagnosis from a licensed professional of a DSM III mental disease or defect. That is not a fake diagnosis which most people, other than Cpl. Klinger, likely want in their medical records and most professionals licensed to make that type of diagnosis are not likely to run around signing letters without a full examination. Again. As I have said multiple times now, each time you make this exact same incorrect statement: NO. No. No. NO. Carriers may absolutely NOT require a written diagnosis from a licensed professional of a DSM III mental disease or defect. Carriers can only require a statement from a licensed professional that the passenger is under their care for a disability listed in the DSM. Not a specific diagnosis. These are two very different things. As we've discussed in other threads: The DSM recognizes somewhere north of 450 distinct disorders, which include things like "anxiety disorder" (made up or not), claustrophobia, "denial," insomnia, erectile disfunction, "night eating syndrome," OCD, and stuttering. The specific disorder would not be disclosed. That would be a HIPPA violation. I think you highly overestimate any negative effects of having a DSM diagnosis in your "medical records." (Which are all, of course, privacy protected by HIPPA.) People have been getting these kinds of diagnoses for years for purposes like obtaining prescription drugs (including, now, marijuana) and work leave-related legal issues, and some "professionals" already make these diagnoses online through questionnaires and virtual visits. Lastly, all major US carriers -- Delta, United, American and Southwest -- already require this statement for travel with an ESA. |
Originally Posted by Blitzjb
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ABC News1 min · NEW: Dept. of Transportation seeks public comment on regulation of service animals on airplanes, looking to "ensure seamless access to air transportation for individuals with disabilities while also helping to deter the fraudulent use of animals not qualified as service animals." https://abcn.ws/2rOIUJi |
Originally Posted by ursine1
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Lastly, all major US carriers -- Delta, United, American and Southwest -- already require this statement for travel with an ESA.
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