Can a CP fly if the base ticket no shows?

Old Apr 26, 18, 11:23 pm
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Originally Posted by nsx View Post
Please try it and report your results. It's not as if Southwest could ask every passenger for an ID, then remove the companion and cancel the CP holder's Rapid Rewards account and confiscate all his points, right?
Hah, quoting for posterity. Your realistic scenario is holding up an aircraft for 20 mins to check everyone's ID for a rogue companion!!

I'll offer $20 through PayPal for anyone who can post documented proof of negative action taken as a result of their companion boarding without them, including charging the companion full fare for the flight, etc.
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Old Apr 26, 18, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by smmrfld View Post

if this post is serious, which I doubt, may I suggest that modern aircraft have PA systems that allow for paging of PAX? And if said PAX doesn’t answer the page (typically by ringing the call button), I can only imagine what will ensue for the PAX and the CP holder.
Please share what you imagine will happen.
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Old Apr 26, 18, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by TortillaChip View Post
Hah, quoting for posterity. Your realistic scenario is holding up an aircraft for 20 mins to check everyone's ID for a rogue companion!!

I'll offer $20 through PayPal for anyone who can post documented proof of negative action taken as a result of their companion boarding without them, including charging the companion full fare for the flight, etc.
Would you pay $20 for proof that Southwest has held up a flight for 20 minutes checking ID's when the passenger count was incorrect?

While it's true that the costs of a 20 minute delay exceed the immediate benefit, the long-run benefit is that fraudsters know that they can't get away with it so they don't try. It's basic game theory.
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Old Apr 26, 18, 11:42 pm
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I've been in that situation before unfortunately...some parents apparently don't understand what a "lap child" is
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Old Apr 26, 18, 11:47 pm
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Originally Posted by TortillaChip View Post
Scenario: Companion boards first, CP holder never boards. There is no way to "remove" the companion from the flight as there are no assigned seats. What happens then?
It goes like this - gate agent has passenger list that shows companion boarded, but companion pass holder never did. GA tells flight attendant. Flight attendant gets on intercom and asks companion pass holder and companion to hit their call buttons so they can identify them. CP holder obviously cannot do this, companion either a) rings call button, and gets escorted off the plane, or b) doesn't ring call button, FA realizes the scam they are trying to pull, and the real fun begins.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 12:08 am
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Upping my offer to $50 for documented proof of negative action taken due to this scenario - scan of letter, email, etc, stating xyz is happening because your companion flew without you (I decided it's easier to send Amazon gift card code versus PayPal). I'll also accept video proof of companion being escorted off after FA advises them why

Look - I get the theoretical of what could happen, WN could certainly hold up the plane and check everyone's ID to root out that rapscallion. What I'm saying is, I don't believe they will.

I also question if WN's IT system is sophisticated enough to enable the gate agent to even do this with 10 minutes to pushback.

I've had CP before it was "cool", and I would never dare risk this myself. But the fact is, the OP asked a question and people here are answering with "fake news". Comments like "I can only imagine what will happen" and "then the real fun begins". These aren't answers, this is speculation. Unless someone here has experienced first-hand or has documented proof/DP's, we should simply restate what's in the terms and conditions and don't go beyond that.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by TortillaChip View Post
Upping my offer to $50 for documented proof of negative action taken due to this scenario - scan of letter, email, etc, stating xyz is happening because your companion flew without you (I decided it's easier to send Amazon gift card code versus PayPal). I'll also accept video proof of companion being escorted off after FA advises them why

Look - I get the theoretical of what could happen, WN could certainly hold up the plane and check everyone's ID to root out that rapscallion. What I'm saying is, I don't believe they will.

I also question if WN's IT system is sophisticated enough to enable the gate agent to even do this with 10 minutes to pushback.

I've had CP before it was "cool", and I would never dare risk this myself. But the fact is, the OP asked a question and people here are answering with "fake news". Comments like "I can only imagine what will happen" and "then the real fun begins". These aren't answers, this is speculation. Unless someone here has experienced first-hand or has documented proof/DP's, we should simply restate what's in the terms and conditions and don't go beyond that.
Wow, you are really determined to "prove" (by absence of proof to the contrary ) that Southwest has no problem with people abusing the CP benefit.

It's not much different than a stow-away. No airline will leave the gate with a passenger who didn't pay. Getting rid of a stow-away/CP abuser is an acceptable delay.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 12:47 am
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Originally Posted by smmrfld View Post

it’s illegal and just plain dumb. So why even post it?
Because the OP asked a hypothetical question and this is a possible solution. Whether it's legal or not, or if it makes any sense to do so, is a different question.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 7:38 am
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I don't understand what is so difficult about this: If a companion is on a plane, then the CP holder must have their butt in a seat on the same plane. It's as simple as that.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 2:04 pm
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For argument's sake, why not allow this? One ticket was paid for (with points or cash) and one passenger boarded the plane. How would someone take advantage of this?
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Old Apr 27, 18, 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by dmbolp View Post
For argument's sake, why not allow this? One ticket was paid for (with points or cash) and one passenger boarded the plane. How would someone take advantage of this?
If I were running the airline I would probably allow it. The scenario is that 2 people plan a trip together and book and advance purchase fare plus CP for second person. The first person can't go, leaving the second person to buy a ticket at the last minute. If you allow the second person to use the advance fare you have effectively allowed a last minute purchase at the advance purchase price.

Given that points bookings are refundable and CP tickets have last-seat availability, the workaround is to book the second passenger on points. Replace the points booking with a companion booking as soon as travel plans are 100% firm.

You could say that the presence of this workaround makes it silly for Southwest not to allow the switch. You would be correct.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 3:07 pm
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Ahh, early/cheaper purchase price vs. last minute/unexpected/high purchase price...thanks
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Old Apr 27, 18, 3:32 pm
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Originally Posted by TortillaChip View Post
Upping my offer to $50 for documented proof of negative action taken due to this scenario - scan of letter, email, etc, stating xyz is happening because your companion flew without you (I decided it's easier to send Amazon gift card code versus PayPal). I'll also accept video proof of companion being escorted off after FA advises them why

Look - I get the theoretical of what could happen, WN could certainly hold up the plane and check everyone's ID to root out that rapscallion. What I'm saying is, I don't believe they will.

I also question if WN's IT system is sophisticated enough to enable the gate agent to even do this with 10 minutes to pushback.

I've had CP before it was "cool", and I would never dare risk this myself. But the fact is, the OP asked a question and people here are answering with "fake news". Comments like "I can only imagine what will happen" and "then the real fun begins". These aren't answers, this is speculation. Unless someone here has experienced first-hand or has documented proof/DP's, we should simply restate what's in the terms and conditions and don't go beyond that.
I can not document, but I have observed the result. OA gets on plane and asks for a particular passenger. Passenger gathers stuff and gets off. OA mentions to FA that it is an unaccompanied companion.

Did they have to pay for a ticket? Did they lose CP? Did they have RR account cancelled? I don't know. I just know they were removed from the plane. I saw this one time and for several years I flew over 100 flights a year.

There are other cases, 3-4 maybe, in which a person was called and removed, but I heard no one mention CP.

There could be more. I do not always pay attention to these boarding dramas.

So no proof of adverse action. However, it was evident that they were looking. That was then and this is now. It may have changed.

As for me, my companion always flew with me, they boarded when I boarded A-List and no one ever complained. YMMV. It would have created quite a problem if my companion tried to fly without me. However, I am special.
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Old Apr 27, 18, 5:29 pm
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just board with wifey’s boarding pass and be done with it
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Old Apr 27, 18, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Colin View Post
just board with wifey’s boarding pass and be done with it
yah so someone said this was illegal and I'd like to see someone cite the law being broken there. Clearly if you get busted on this you'd both be subject to being banned from the airline and lose any accumulated but that's civil v. Criminal. Btw, I think WN/TSA is monitoring this thread because on my flight this morning out of PHL, TSA rechecked everyone's BP against ID right in front of gate agent who was tracking the process and short of some real fancy slight of hand there is no way one couldn't have pulled a switch between TSA BP check and gate scan.


I totally get why WN doesn't like this abuse as there could be some angles for abuse. Also, I will confirm that as a companion I have boarded before the other because I out A listed them with no issue but in a friendly convo with a staffer they said that it would flag me when they tried to close the flight if the other never boarded. In a way I'd love for someone to try the hide since they are unassigned seats game like another poster offered a reward but I think at best you're 50% chance of getting screwed by that as FA's and GA's seem to really hate it when you screw with them and if you ignore their call for you then that seems like a much easier way to get criminally charged.
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