DL's had enough of fake ESAs- let's hope WN is next!
#46
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Correct. When I fly for work, my clients and employer don't particularly care to have a dog around and/or it would be irresponsible/against the rules to leave him at my hotel.
I'm not entirely sure why I have to explain myself to you, but since I can feel the "hur dur so you must not really need the ESA if you go without him for work travel" coming, his assigned purpose is for anger management, and yes, while I travel for work, both myself and the FAs deal with me being very angry.
I'm not entirely sure why I have to explain myself to you, but since I can feel the "hur dur so you must not really need the ESA if you go without him for work travel" coming, his assigned purpose is for anger management, and yes, while I travel for work, both myself and the FAs deal with me being very angry.
#47
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I'm A-List and usually A15-25ish. Your mileage may vary, but even with several upgrades to A1-15 and a dozen wheelchairs, I still have managed to get a front seat for my long legs. (To me, the priority boarding is less about being on the plane first, and more about getting a good seat - never had a problem with the latter).
All the angst is taking place way behind you.
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#51
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Yes, for the most part this is definitely the vibe I get from Southwest, and I'm not gonna lie - it's why I heavily support them as a customer. Rather than create conflict, unless it actually jeopardizes the safety or timeliness of the flight, they tend to just let it go. This is much better than airlines that choose to nitpick on things. Maybe other folks on FT appreciate that because they like a specific and defined airline experience that the agents enforce, but I don't. I much prefer that they just provide a good customer experience to everyone by not ruffling feathers where they needn't be ruffled.
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I'm not entirely sure why I have to explain myself to you, but since I can feel the "hur dur so you must not really need the ESA if you go without him for work travel" coming, his assigned purpose is for anger management, and yes, while I travel for work, both myself and the FAs deal with me being very angry.
It seems to me that you should be in favor of tightened documentation requirements, since your need is both legitimate and legitimately prescribed by a legitimate treating physician. The situation right now is problematic because of all the cheaters. The cheaters have turned everyone hostile to ESAs and their companions, and that unfortunately includes people like yourself who is not a cheater. If the ranks of the cheaters can be thinned, it is better for everyone all around, including yourself. Yes, it means a bit more hassle for you initially but if ESA access were limited to people like yourself (and animals that are specifically trained like yours) I would think it would ultimately mean an easier time for you, your animal companion, the airlines, and everyone else on board.
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#55
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Correct. When I fly for work, my clients and employer don't particularly care to have a dog around and/or it would be irresponsible/against the rules to leave him at my hotel.
I'm not entirely sure why I have to explain myself to you, but since I can feel the "hur dur so you must not really need the ESA if you go without him for work travel" coming, his assigned purpose is for anger management, and yes, while I travel for work, both myself and the FAs deal with me being very angry.
I'm not entirely sure why I have to explain myself to you, but since I can feel the "hur dur so you must not really need the ESA if you go without him for work travel" coming, his assigned purpose is for anger management, and yes, while I travel for work, both myself and the FAs deal with me being very angry.
#56
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So help us out here... When it matters to earn a living and uphold a professional reputation, you can travel and cope without Fido yet the same circumstances when traveling for leisure could invoke a rage? And a quack signed off on this? You must then be traveling with a wife and kids then. 90% of families probably think 100% of Dads have anger management issues!
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Points to the quackery of the whole ESA thing. If you suffer from a DSM-recognized condition and require an ESA, then you require an ESA and ought to have it with you. If you do not suffer from such a condition, you do not need the ESA.
Unless some qualified physician can medically differentiate between the DSM condition in the work vs. leisure space, this moves from the "I need an ESA" to "life is more pleasant with an ESA." Lots of things in life are more pleasant one way than the other, but that isn't the medical differentiator.
Unless some qualified physician can medically differentiate between the DSM condition in the work vs. leisure space, this moves from the "I need an ESA" to "life is more pleasant with an ESA." Lots of things in life are more pleasant one way than the other, but that isn't the medical differentiator.
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Points to the quackery of the whole ESA thing. If you suffer from a DSM-recognized condition and require an ESA, then you require an ESA and ought to have it with you. If you do not suffer from such a condition, you do not need the ESA.
Unless some qualified physician can medically differentiate between the DSM condition in the work vs. leisure space, this moves from the "I need an ESA" to "life is more pleasant with an ESA." Lots of things in life are more pleasant one way than the other, but that isn't the medical differentiator.
Unless some qualified physician can medically differentiate between the DSM condition in the work vs. leisure space, this moves from the "I need an ESA" to "life is more pleasant with an ESA." Lots of things in life are more pleasant one way than the other, but that isn't the medical differentiator.
I guess people who get stressed at work are faking it?? Point being that someone with a legitimate need for an ESA could be in a situation where they don't have the ESA with them. Unless you are their doctor and know what's best for them, it's probably best not to try and diagnose them.
Last edited by justhere; Jan 25, 2018 at 8:52 pm
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Just so I understand, your position is that there's not much likelihood a physician can medically differentiate between the DSM condition in work vs leisure, but you can determine a diagnosis as to whether someone can benefit from an ESA? And you've determined they can only benefit if they have the ESA 100% of the time?
I guess people who get stressed at work are faking it?? Point being that someone with a legitimate need for an ESA could be in a situation where they don't have the ESA with them. Unless you are their doctor and know what's best for them, it's probably best not to try and diagnose them.
I guess people who get stressed at work are faking it?? Point being that someone with a legitimate need for an ESA could be in a situation where they don't have the ESA with them. Unless you are their doctor and know what's best for them, it's probably best not to try and diagnose them.