“Southwest Monkey”: Site that monitors WN price drops for you
#16
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 1
Thanks for taking the time to create this! I just set up an alert, the website is very simple and user friendly. I'll let you know if I come across any bugs.
#17
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Pittsburgh
Programs: Whoever Has the Best Bonus
Posts: 5,183
Nice idea, but as others have posted Southwest will come after you, even if you don't sell anything.
While there is a need for this functionality I think the only way to stay away from the Southwest demons is to open source the code on GitHub or something like that so people can run it independently. Of course that limits the number of people that can use it too.
It's funny for a company that advertises 'transFAREncy' that they are in some ways the least transparent; can't see their fares on other sites, can't track fares.. for someone like me that is the epitome of Wanna Get Away (give me a good deal and I"ll go) I end up booking other airlines since I can see their fare sales much easier on Google Flights or other engines.
While there is a need for this functionality I think the only way to stay away from the Southwest demons is to open source the code on GitHub or something like that so people can run it independently. Of course that limits the number of people that can use it too.
It's funny for a company that advertises 'transFAREncy' that they are in some ways the least transparent; can't see their fares on other sites, can't track fares.. for someone like me that is the epitome of Wanna Get Away (give me a good deal and I"ll go) I end up booking other airlines since I can see their fare sales much easier on Google Flights or other engines.
#18
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: ORD, MDW or MKE
Programs: American and Southwest. Hilton and Marriott hotels primarily.
Posts: 6,459
It's funny for a company that advertises 'transFAREncy' that they are in some ways the least transparent; can't see their fares on other sites, can't track fares.. for someone like me that is the epitome of Wanna Get Away (give me a good deal and I"ll go) I end up booking other airlines since I can see their fare sales much easier on Google Flights or other engines.
#19
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 921
#20
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Blue Ridge, GA
Posts: 5,508
#21
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: ORD, MDW or MKE
Programs: American and Southwest. Hilton and Marriott hotels primarily.
Posts: 6,459
#22
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Central US
Programs: WN CP, HHonors, Hyatt Platinum, IHG Premier,LaQuinta Elite, Amtrak
Posts: 451
This is one of those things where, on principle, its easy to side with SWMonkey. However, on further reflection, it is in our best interest for SWA to maintain their "no charge" change policy, and automated sites like SWMonkey potentially threaten that process. I would much rather manually run my own checks periodically, and let the lazier people pay higher fares, than to be saddled with change fees whenever my plans are altered. Amtrak has recently implemented some onerous change fees, approaching 20-25%, which has certainly worked to drive my business away from them to other transportation options. Southwest gets my business because of no (or few) hassles, so regardless of "free speech" principles or other altruistic ideas, in this case, the best course is to leave well enough alone.
#23
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 1,868
Do you think that's why they continue to make their site so difficult to quickly check pricing? I mean, the 'seconds' jeffandnicole talk about above are multiplied greatly when there are multiple airport options in an area, particularly when your dates are somewhat flexible. God help you if you're flying from DC to LA with flexible dates and want to compare your flight costs fairly often. I miss the Getaway Finder map very much for making that process easier than it is now... I've chalked its loss up to IT not being able to even keep the wheels on the regular functions, but it wouldn't surprise me if the real reason was trying to keep things a little less transparent.
#24
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Chicagoland, IL, USA
Programs: WN CP, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 14,184
#25
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Pittsburgh
Programs: Whoever Has the Best Bonus
Posts: 5,183
It is a good point that the no fare change policy is a likely reason Southwest doesn't want this to be easy -- otherwise every fare sale would mean losing hundreds if not thousands if not millions of dollars if all of us could sign up and re-fare whenever we want. But my own two cents its more sinister than that. Southwest wants me to only shop with them, and not compare. While a frequent flier I've pretty much thrown away loyalty to any brand. Just a few years ago you wouldn't have caught me on any flight other than American or Southwest. Now while I still may slightly favor them, because Southwest doesn't show up unless I make a separate search I am often forgetting the Southwest option. Which is funny since Southwest drives a lot of the fare pricing in markets I'm looking at; I end up booking another airline at was likely a Southwest driven fare.
I agree with synergistic; I routinely use Google Flights Explore where I just pick random cities and random dates and see where I can go for cheap. Southwest's GetAway Finder was the closest to that. Now I have to say I want to go from Pittsburgh to a specific city and see a month calendar and click back and forth.. Can't just 'Take me somewhere for $100!'
I agree with synergistic; I routinely use Google Flights Explore where I just pick random cities and random dates and see where I can go for cheap. Southwest's GetAway Finder was the closest to that. Now I have to say I want to go from Pittsburgh to a specific city and see a month calendar and click back and forth.. Can't just 'Take me somewhere for $100!'
#26
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: MCI
Programs: CBP Global Entry, WN A-List Preferred, WN Companion Pass
Posts: 2,007
Southwest sues startup that monitored airfare changes
#27
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,602
#28
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Danville, CA, USA;
Programs: UA 1MM, WN CP, Marriott LT Plat, Hilton Gold, IC Plat
Posts: 15,717
This is one of the few cases where I totally understand Southwest's position. Airlines ( all companies ) create sales to drive new business. With all the other airlines, a sale period does not cannibalize previous sold tickets. However, Southwest has to contend with people re-faring. If they allowed third party sites to track pricing, to many people would re-fare and the point of a sale has been lost.
Unfortunately WN has a large litigation budget, so nobody is likely to contest its position except the most well heeled. But I'd love to see it happen.
Last edited by Boraxo; Jan 21, 2018 at 9:53 pm
#29
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Programs: Southwest A-list & Companion Pass, Enterprise, Hilton, Wyndham, etc
Posts: 225
The ability to cancel or change fares on Southwest is very useful for many purposes other than refaring - like adjusting flights for a change in plans, which I've done many dozens of times, not infrequently upping the fare I'm paying. The ability to change without paying $150 is worth a whole lot more to me than saving a few bucks refaring. It seems to me that keeping the no charge for change policy requires no outsourcing of price comparisons. I really support Southwest on this.
#30
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,286
The ability to cancel or change fares on Southwest is very useful for many purposes other than refaring - like adjusting flights for a change in plans, which I've done many dozens of times, not infrequently upping the fare I'm paying. The ability to change without paying $150 is worth a whole lot more to me than saving a few bucks refaring. It seems to me that keeping the no charge for change policy requires no outsourcing of price comparisons. I really support Southwest on this.