Hurricane Matthew

Reply

Old Oct 5, 16, 9:17 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: MCI
Programs: CBP Global Entry, WN A-List Preferred, WN Companion Pass, Hertz Gold+ 5-Star, Hyatt Platinum
Posts: 1,691
Hurricane Matthew

FLL airport authorities have announced officially closing the airport at 1030am local Thursday Oct 6th.

Southwest's web page/travel advisory isn't quite that specific yet, although a cursory check around noon today (Wednesday) indicated that all flights for Thursday/Friday/Saturday into/out of <at least> FLL & PBI were sold/blocked/cancelled/held.

The FAA has already posted the FLL closure for tomorrow; presumably more to come following the early morning planning conference between the FAA Command Center, the local/impacted FAA facilities and the airlines.

NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM STATUS
Last updated Thu, 06 Oct 2016 03:13:03 UTC.
(Provided by the FAA's Air Traffic Control System Command Center.

Name:  Matthew 01.PNG
Views: 432
Size:  12.5 KB
steved5480 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 5:53 am
  #2  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Montgomery, IL, USA
Posts: 128
It's interesting that they have closed FLL but none of the other larger Florida airports.
scootr5 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 8:05 am
  #3  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: MCI
Programs: CBP Global Entry, WN A-List Preferred, WN Companion Pass, Hertz Gold+ 5-Star, Hyatt Platinum
Posts: 1,691
Originally Posted by scootr5 View Post
It's interesting that they have closed FLL but none of the other larger Florida airports.
MCO will close at 8pm local this evening (Thursday)

ATCSCC ADVZY 028 DCC 10/06/2016 1230Z HURRICANE MATTHEW TELCON_FYI

AIRPORT CLOSURES- REFER TO NOTAMS FOR UPDATED LISTING.
CURRENT INTERNATIONAL CLOSURES INCLUDE:
MYGF/MYEF/MYNN/MYSM/MYAM/MYEM/MYEH/MYBS/MYAF/MYGW/MYRD/
MYIG/MYAP/MYC
I/MYMM/MYLD/MYLS/MYBG/MYRP/MYCB.

US AIRPORTS CURRENTLY CLOSED OR SERVICES UNAVAILABLE:

FLL @ 1400Z
MCO @ 0000Z

SUA/HWO/BCT/PMP

NAVAID OUTAGES: ORL/AMG/SDZ

ASR OUTAGES: MLB/VRB/XMR/FLL

ZQA NASSAU LONG RANGE RADAR IN PROTECTIVE SHUTDOWN

ZIN RCAG FAILED DUE TO LOSS OF POWER

NASSAU MEVA SATELLITE ANTENNA STOWED FOR STORM PROTECTION

CARIBBEAN AREA: SEE NOTAMS
steved5480 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 8:34 am
  #4  
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Montgomery, IL, USA
Posts: 128
Nothing for MIA even though they're in the path?
scootr5 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 9:29 am
  #5  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: MCI
Programs: CBP Global Entry, WN A-List Preferred, WN Companion Pass, Hertz Gold+ 5-Star, Hyatt Platinum
Posts: 1,691
Originally Posted by scootr5 View Post
Nothing for MIA even though they're in the path?
As of the 11am EDT NHC update (just issued), the Hurricane Warning technically runs from north of Golden Beach Florida to Edisto Beach South Carolina. Granted it's "nits", but Golden Beach is north of MIA (actually closer to FLL). Updates here: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/#MATTHEW

On the early morning FAA telecom, MIA ATC and MIA airport authorities made it clear that they intend to remain open for the duration. They plan to place the ASRs at FLL and MIA in free-spin mode later today (normal, procedure, given the forecasted winds). MIA TRACON will rely on ZMA LRSR during this period, which typically requires substantially increased aircraft separation in the terminal areas. They did note that AA and other major carriers planned to cease operations in and out of MIA, so traffic will be at a minimum.

As noted in the past, all aircraft have finite limits re: max wind/crosswind components for takeoff/landing, etc. It quickly reaches a point at which the airport authority declaring a facility open/closed vs. the FAA being able to provide appropriate ATC services vs. the airlines' ability to keep operating vs. the Customers and/or airport Employees' ability to actually get into and out of the airport makes the whole discussion moot anyway.

Our resident expert in dealing all of this from an airline's operational perspective will likely happen along and perhaps provide some generalized numbers and how they impact operations.

steved5480 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 9:51 am
  #6  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,850
I would point out in addition the being able to actually operate airlines often take into account the disruption caused by planes being out of position and cancel flights to minimize damage to their network and don't always communicate the real reason for their actions to passengers.

For example I was once told repeatedly the DIA was closed due to a blizzard when Southwest had cancelled all of their flights but in fact the airport was open and some airlines were operating. I was able to switch to another airline and get there several hours late, but in time for an important meeting.
rsteinmetz70112 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 5:59 pm
  #7  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 996
Originally Posted by scootr5 View Post
Nothing for MIA even though they're in the path?
MIA isn't really in the direct path of Matthew, but on its SW side. It appears the eye is headed towards the Melbourne area. Given the counterclockwise circulation around the eye, you can see the wind shifts as the eye moves. In the latest forecast for MIA below, I've bolded the wind direction (expressed in degrees), and the underlined numbers are steady winds (in knots) with any numbers after the "G" being gusts...

MIA's immediate problem are between 22z-24z when the winds are forecasted from the north at 25 gusting 35. MIA's main runways are east-west, so that strong a wind from the north is going to flirt with max crosswind limits (usually 30-35 kts). As the storm's eye moves N and then to the NE, you can then see how MIA's forecast reflects the winds changing to come out of the NW (290), then W (260), and then SW (230).

MIA will likely be the first south Florida airport to resume operations, followed by FLL, and PBI later still, all presuming any of the airports didn't suffer damage, flooding, and/or electrical outages.

KMIA 062215Z 0622/0718 29015G25KT P6SM SHRA SCT020 BKN035 BKN050
TEMPO 0622/0624 35025G35KT 2SM RA BKN020 BKN035 OVC050
FM070000 29020G25KT 4SM SHRA BKN025 OVC050
FM070600 26015G25KT P6SM VCSH SCT020 BKN035
FM071200 23018G28KT P6SM VCSH SCT025 BKN050

And, by way of comparison, one really wouldn't want to be in Vero Beach or Melbourne early tomorrow morning...

KVRB 062332Z 0700/0724 02024G39KT 3SM SHRA SCT019 BKN050 OVC060
TEMPO 0700/0704 VRB40G50KT 2SM +SHRA BKN009 BKN016
FM070500 01050G70KT 2SM +SHRA BKN012
FM070800 33080G100KT 1SM +SHRA BKN006
FM071130 25055G75KT 3SM SHRA BKN015
FM071800 28028G37KT 4SM SHRA BKN028


KMLB 062332Z 0700/0724 03028G36KT 3SM -SHRA BKN019 OVC026
TEMPO 0700/0704 VRB35G48KT 2SM +SHRA BKN009 BKN016
FM070700 03050G70KT 2SM +SHRA BKN012
FM071100 36080G100KT 1SM +SHRA BKN006
FM071800 25032G42KT 4SM SHRA BKN018

Last edited by OPNLguy; Oct 6, 16 at 6:19 pm
OPNLguy is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old Oct 6, 16, 6:05 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 996
Originally Posted by steved5480 View Post
Our resident expert in dealing all of this from an airline's operational perspective will likely happen along and perhaps provide some generalized numbers and how they impact operations.
I gotta tell you that the projected track on this one, to come back around in almost a complete 360 to potentially hit the east coast of Florida a second time, is one of the weirdest progs I can ever recall. If a second impact did occur, it wouldn't be as strong a storm at that point as far as winds speeds, but the additional rain and storm surge could add insult to injury for those folks.

Gee, being retired isn't really so bad after all... (Although I feel for the folks down there...)
OPNLguy is offline  
Reply With Quote

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread