Apr 17, 2015, 8:09 am
Last edit by: nsx
Thanks Everyone for Your Data Points!! ^
**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**
Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***
Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):
WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($52.93/3705)
N = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($77.12/5398)
M = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($147.35/10315)
S = 72 pts / $70 pts / $ ($93.86/6570)
O = 72 pts / $70 pts / $ ($180.84/12659)
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
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W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
————
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
————
L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
————
AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**
Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***
Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):
WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $
N = 72 pts / $
M = 72 pts / $
S = 72 pts / $
O = 72 pts / $
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
————
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
————
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
————
L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
————
AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
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Apr 17, 2015, 8:07 am
#16
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 13
Came out to 70 points/$ on the base fare of $119.
Apr 17, 2015, 8:13 am
#19
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: AA EXP, DL-Plat, WN-CP | Hotels: Choice-Gld, IHG-Plt, Rad-Gld, HH-Dia, Hyatt-Glob, Marriott-LtPlt
Posts: 2,889
I've started the WIKI; so, please feel free to update it with detailed, relevant data points. Hopefully, we can keep it clean and use the details as a good resource.
For those who claim to find ratios below 70 points/$1, please double-check your math (see the first post for instructions on how to find BASE fare) and, if you still think you've found such a ratio, please post the full details in this thread.
For those who claim to find ratios below 70 points/$1, please double-check your math (see the first post for instructions on how to find BASE fare) and, if you still think you've found such a ratio, please post the full details in this thread.
Apr 17, 2015, 8:16 am
#20
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: AA EXP, DL-Plat, WN-CP | Hotels: Choice-Gld, IHG-Plt, Rad-Gld, HH-Dia, Hyatt-Glob, Marriott-LtPlt
Posts: 2,889
DEN-MDW (WN#3828) 3:05pm, Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
14,649 Points required
$187.81 Base Fare ($216.00 all-in fare)
78 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/17/2015]
Apr 17, 2015, 8:21 am
#22
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: AA EXP, DL-Plat, WN-CP | Hotels: Choice-Gld, IHG-Plt, Rad-Gld, HH-Dia, Hyatt-Glob, Marriott-LtPlt
Posts: 2,889
Apr 17, 2015, 8:25 am
#23
Formerly known as iahsumr
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 520
Apr 17, 2015, 8:43 am
#24
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: CMH, West Coast
Programs: AA Executive Platinum, oneworld emerald
Posts: 2,741
Went through and checked every point reservation I have through October. None of the ratios have gone up (in other words, they cost the same pts/$ as they did before the devaluation). These include flights for almost every day of the week including Friday and Sunday.
Any Chicken Littles here willing to admit that cashing out for gift cards yesterday wasn't such a great idea?
Any Chicken Littles here willing to admit that cashing out for gift cards yesterday wasn't such a great idea?
Apr 17, 2015, 9:04 am
#25
Join Date: Oct 2001
Programs: LTP, PP
Posts: 8,698
Went through and checked every point reservation I have through October. None of the ratios have gone up (in other words, they cost the same pts/$ as they did before the devaluation). These include flights for almost every day of the week including Friday and Sunday.
Any Chicken Littles here willing to admit that cashing out for gift cards yesterday wasn't such a great idea?
Any Chicken Littles here willing to admit that cashing out for gift cards yesterday wasn't such a great idea?
Every flight I've looked at or booked today is 76 or 78 ppd. I Chicken Littlely think this is just the tip of the iceberg and they are going to ease this in gradually as not to alarm or have the non FT obsessed take notice.
The real test will be at the next schedule release for the 2015 holidays!
Apr 17, 2015, 9:24 am
#27
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: DFW
Posts: 67
All found today 4/17/2015 on WGA fares:
June 12, Flight 50 (8:10 PM departure), DAL-SFO
$181 Base Fare - 13.799 points = 76 pts / $
June 30, Flight 46 (7 PM departure), DAL - ABQ
$99.74 Base Fare - 6961 points = 70 pts / $
July 4, Flight 727 (7:05 PM departure), ABQ - DAL
$99.44 Base Fare - 6961 = 70 points / $
Looks like 70 pts / $ is the best you can do now. I also think that high demand travel places / times / destinations will be a higher pts / $. That 2015 holiday schedule release will be a madhouse.
June 12, Flight 50 (8:10 PM departure), DAL-SFO
$181 Base Fare - 13.799 points = 76 pts / $
June 30, Flight 46 (7 PM departure), DAL - ABQ
$99.74 Base Fare - 6961 points = 70 pts / $
July 4, Flight 727 (7:05 PM departure), ABQ - DAL
$99.44 Base Fare - 6961 = 70 points / $
Looks like 70 pts / $ is the best you can do now. I also think that high demand travel places / times / destinations will be a higher pts / $. That 2015 holiday schedule release will be a madhouse.
Apr 17, 2015, 9:43 am
#29
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ONT/LAX
Programs: IHG Plat
Posts: 496
ONT-OAK
Friday, May 22, 2015 (Memorial Day weekend)
Before: 4064 points
Now: 3868 points
196 points difference
I don't know if the $ amounts changed, but based on a current base fare of $55.26:
Before: 73.54 points per $
After: 69.99 points per $
Apr 17, 2015, 9:47 am
#30
Join Date: Oct 2001
Programs: LTP, PP
Posts: 8,698
Wow! But unless you do the hidden math, you won't know for sure if the fare simply went down or the ratio changed. Since it went DOWN, likely the WGA fare went down and the ratio stayed at 70ppd, good news for you!