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Old May 11, 16, 12:26 am   -   Wikipost
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Thanks Everyone for Your Data Points!! ^

**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**

Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]

Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]

Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]

Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]

Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]

Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]

Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***

Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]



OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):

WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $ 70 pts /$ ($52.93/3705)
N = 72 pts / $ 70 pts /$ ($77.12/5398)
M = 72 pts / $ 70 pts /$ ($147.35/10315)
S = 72 pts / $ 70 pts / $ ($93.86/6570)
O = 72 pts / $ 70 pts / $ ($180.84/12659)
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R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
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W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
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Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
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L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
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AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)

However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
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Old May 6, 15, 8:15 pm
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LAS-MCI (WN #1799) 9:05 A.M. THURSDAY May 28

5268 points required

$75.26 base fare

70 points/$ (found May 6, 2015)

Always good to note that this is almost a 3 hour flight, for $95 all-in (thanks to having Spirit as a competitor in this market), yet can't fly between MCI and MDW or STL for anywhere near this low price.
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Old May 7, 15, 12:59 am
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I'm flying MDW-MCI next week for $97 each way all in.
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Old May 7, 15, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by lougord99 View Post
I'm flying MDW-MCI next week for $97 each way all in.
Maybe I have only looked at that route pricing for Mondays and Fridays?

Anyway, it always seems a good value for the MCI- LAS route, I usually can find $95 fares all in any day of the week, and it's not a short one hour flight.
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Old May 7, 15, 1:25 pm
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I just came by to test my method of calculating points per dollar; while testing I found one difference in the Wiki data: the base fare price on 26 Sept MDW-SJC (WN4522) came down to $112.47 and the points cost came down to 7873, for a 70 point per dollar ratio (original post was 74 pts/$ on a base fare of $158.05.

My method for finding pts/dollar cost:

1) Search flight using dollars
2) Hover pointer over the desired flight (WGA) to find the points earned
3) Divide points earned by 6 to get a reasonable approximation to the base fare
4) Change the search to price in points
5) Divide the points price found for the same flight by the answer to #3 above

In formula form: WGA Award Points/$ = (pts cost of award flight) divided by [(pts earned if bought with cash) divided by 6]; do work inside parentheses first!

The only downside to this method is having to go back to the dollar pricing to get the exact base fare in order to have the data for posting here in the desired format, but I find it much quicker. (In my example above the base fare was approximated to be $112.50 vs. the actual value of $112.47.)

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Old May 7, 15, 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by HPN-HRL View Post
I just came by to test my method of calculating points per dollar; while testing I found one difference in the Wiki data: the base fare price on 26 Sept MDW-SJC (WN4522) came down to $112.47 and the points cost came down to 7873, for a 70 point per dollar ratio (original post was 74 pts/$ on a base fare of $158.05.
Thanks!! This is an example that is every helpful - showing that as the price drops for the same flight, the ratio drops as well.

Originally Posted by HPN-HRL View Post
My method for finding pts/dollar cost:

1) Search flight using dollars
2) Hover pointer over the desired flight (WGA) to find the points earned
3) Divide points earned by 6 to get a reasonable approximation to the base fare
4) Change the search to price in points
5) Divide the points price found for the same flight by the answer to #3 above

In formula form: WGA Award Points/$ = (pts cost of award flight) divided by [(pts/$ earned if bought with cash) divided by 6]; do work inside parentheses first!

The only downside to this method is having to go back to the dollar pricing to get the exact base fare in order to have the data for posting here in the desired format, but I find it much quicker. (In my example above the base fare was approximated to be $112.50 vs. the actual value of $112.47.)
To each their own, but, for me, it is easier and quicker (not to mention, less likely to result in inaccuracies/errors for those of us who are less mathematically inclined ) to actually make 3 more clicks (that I've italicized below) to actually see the Base Fare than to hover over and perform mathematical division to approximate a Base Fare....specifically, my method is:

1) Search flight using dollars
2) Select the radial for the subject flight & click "Continue"
3) Click "Fare Breakdown" and note the Base Fare
4) Click the brower's back button & change the search to price in points
5) Divide the points price found for the same flight by the answer to #3 above

The primary difference is a click instead of a "hover" and 2 clicks instead of performing division by hand.

But, whatever works best for you is great!
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Old May 20, 15, 4:15 pm
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Here's an interesting data point that shows that the points ratios calculations/methodology mentioned in this thread could, and probably will, change.

Purchased some AUS -> LAX fares just now:

Outbound listed fare is $154 (base of $125.95): points required per dollar: 70
Inbound listed fare is $150 (base of $126.42): points required per dollar: 74

Just an increase of $.47 bumped up the ratio from 70 to 74... I suppose the inbound is in a different fare class.
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Old May 20, 15, 4:26 pm
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And to show that price alone does not determine the points per dollar ratio:

AUS -> LAX sample fares:

12,398 points required for a $177.12 base fare ($213 list): 70
12,082 points required for a $158.98 base fare ($185 list): 76

Given this, it might be interesting to show minimum and maximum base fares observed within a points required class. For example, looks like we've seen base fares as high as $180 requiring only 70 points per dollar. Today I've found a fare as low as $159 requiring 76 points per dollar.

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Old May 20, 15, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by texashoser View Post
Just an increase of $.47 bumped up the ratio from 70 to 74... I suppose the inbound is in a different fare class.
Yeah, that is interesting. And, it reinvigorates my confusion for a lack of a 72 pts/$1 ratio in the mix - this seems an ideal candidate.

Originally Posted by texashoser View Post
Given this, it might be interesting to show minimum and maximum base fares observed within a points required class. For example, looks like we've seen base fares as high as $180 requiring only 70 points per dollar. Today I've found a fare as low as $159 requiring 76 points per dollar.
That is an interesting point - it is not so much "high price" = "high ratio"... it more "high price for that route" = "high ratio," which seems to emphasize it is simply tied to fare class.
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Old May 21, 15, 6:30 am
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Originally Posted by FindAWay View Post
Yeah, that is interesting. And, it reinvigorates my confusion for a lack of a 72 pts/$1 ratio in the mix - this seems an ideal candidate.

That is an interesting point - it is not so much "high price" = "high ratio"... it more "high price for that route" = "high ratio," which seems to emphasize it is simply tied to fare class.
Perhaps. On that same day, another data point:

21,025 points required for a $276.65 base fare ($320 list): 76

So, we've got a $159 and $277 fare both requiring 76 points per dollar. Odd...
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Old Apr 29, 16, 11:23 pm
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Wiki updated to confirm the bad news that Southwest stealthily increased the 70-point rate to 72 points for all five of those fare classes. This occurred on on before April 19, 2016.
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Old May 9, 16, 1:20 pm
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I've been playing with Expert Flyer's fare information and fare class availability tools to see if I can have a better idea which flights might drop in price and where I can effectively capture the savings. I created a bookmarklet that will show the base fare and fare class for all of the flights on the initial search result page. This has helped save me several clicks back and forth through the results to determine base fare and calculate points per dollar.

javascript: $('[class*=boundRadio]').each(function() {var re = /(\d+\.*\d*)\@(\w)\@.*@/; var m;if ((m = re.exec($(this).val())) !== null) {if (m.index === re.lastIndex) {re.lastIndex++;}};bf = $('<span> (BF:$'+m[1]+') (FC:'+m[2]+') </span>\n').insertAfter($(this));});
You can save this as a bookmark in your bookmark toolbar and click it on the search results page. You can also paste it directly into your address bar, but Chrome strips out the "javascript:" from the beginning of the line, so you'll need to add that back in. (This is for your protection. Don't copy and paste random javascript!)

All it does is look for the base fare and fare class info in the page, then it displays them next to the final price. I'll probably add some additional logic to calculate the PPD value as well, but haven't done that yet.

I haven't done anything useful with this info yet, but I'd like to be able to use Expert Flyer's alerts to identify lower fare class availability. However, I'm seeing discrepancies between EF and Southwest.com. (EF says cheaper fare class should be available, but it isn't. EF price differs from Southwest.com.) I'm sure there are reasons for the discrepancies, so I'm trying to see what I can learn, and hopefully use this to find lower fares for my flights.

Last edited by minamhere; May 11, 16 at 8:56 am Reason: NSX discovered that this would not find the correct base fare if it did not have a decimal place. I made this optional.
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I started trying to expand my bookmarklet, but it quickly became more difficult to fit into a bookmarklet. I have created a TamperMonkey script that will run whenever you search for a Points ticket on Southwest. It should also work in Gresemonkey, or any other similar tool, but I haven't tested it anywhere other than Chrome.

You can download the script here.

It now also calculates the Points per Dollar for each fare. This should save time clicking through to the details page. I will also see if there is a way to highlight "deviations" from the expected values listed in the wiki. This should make it easier to alert when devaluations happen.

The script should update itself periodically, which is cool.

I will also work on a better way to display the information. Now that I'm not limited to the bookmarklet, I should be able to make it prettier.
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Old May 17, 16, 10:32 am
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I'm curious.

8/4/16 SNA to HOU. All flights are the exact same price for WGA fares except one flight which is a little CHEAPER. But when I switch to look at the same route on the same day by using points, all the flights require the same number of points except that same one flight mentioned above and that one flight requires MORE points to book. This seems odd. Is it explained by the fact that the one flight in question is the only non-stop flight?
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Old May 17, 16, 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by geo979 View Post
I'm curious.

8/4/16 SNA to HOU. All flights are the exact same price for WGA fares except one flight which is a little CHEAPER. But when I switch to look at the same route on the same day by using points, all the flights require the same number of points except that same one flight mentioned above and that one flight requires MORE points to book. This seems odd. Is it explained by the fact that the one flight in question is the only non-stop flight?
Yes. The tax portion is lower for that flight by $X but the fare portion is higher by $Y, and X is larger than Y. Points price is based only on the fare portion.
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Originally Posted by minamhere View Post
I started trying to expand my bookmarklet, but it quickly became more difficult to fit into a bookmarklet. I have created a TamperMonkey script that will run whenever you search for a Points ticket on Southwest. It should also work in Gresemonkey, or any other similar tool, but I haven't tested it anywhere other than Chrome.

You can download the script here.

It now also calculates the Points per Dollar for each fare. This should save time clicking through to the details page. I will also see if there is a way to highlight "deviations" from the expected values listed in the wiki. This should make it easier to alert when devaluations happen.


The script should update itself periodically, which is cool.

I will also work on a better way to display the information. Now that I'm not limited to the bookmarklet, I should be able to make it prettier.
a godsend, you are.
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