Apr 17, 2015, 8:09 am
Last edit by: nsx
Thanks Everyone for Your Data Points!! ^
**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**
Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***
Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):
WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($52.93/3705)
N = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($77.12/5398)
M = 72 pts / $70 pts /$ ($147.35/10315)
S = 72 pts / $70 pts / $ ($93.86/6570)
O = 72 pts / $70 pts / $ ($180.84/12659)
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
————
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
————
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
————
L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
————
AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
**NOTE: As you update the WIKI, please do not delete old posts as they provide useful historical data**
Sunday, April 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:25pm - DEN-AUS (WN#167): 78 points/$1 of $205.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
4:40pm - DEN-LAS (WN#118): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday May 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
4:40pm - MSY-(HOU)-DAL (WN#1163/50): 74 points/$1 of $190.14 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 8, 2015 (WGA fare):
11:10am - MDW-LGA (WN#2278): 70 points/$1 of $108.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, May 10, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:55pm - LGA-MDW (WN#479): 78 points/$1 of $238.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, May 22, 2015 (WGA fare):
12:25pm - DEN-LAS (WN#153): 78 points/$1 of $215.72 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, May 23, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:15am - HOU-AUA (WN#2228): 80 points/$1 of $350.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Monday, May 25, 2015 [Memorial Day] (WGA fare):
5:45am - BOS-MDW (WN#1895): 70 points/$1 of $80.84 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
5:00pm - BOS-MDW (WN#3967): 78 points/$1 of $251.07 WGA Base Fare [found 4/21/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - EWR-(MDW-MCI)-ABQ (WN#2191/1030): 70 points/$1 of $129.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Saturday, June 6, 2015 (WGA fare):
10:00am - LGA-(MDW)-ABQ (WN#1501/1909): 74 points/$1 of $176.19 WGA Base Fare [found 4/18/2015]
Sunday, June 7, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:50pm - AUS-DEN (WN#604): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, June 12, 2015 (WGA fare):
8:10pm - DAL-SFO (WN#50): 76 points/$1 of $181.00 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Wednesday, June 17, 2015 (WGA fare):
6:25am - HOU-(MCO)-AUA (WN#718/1630): 70 points/$1 of $166 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, June 21, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:05pm - DEN-MDW (WN#3828): 78 points/$1 of $187.81 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, June 30, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:00pm - DAL-ABQ (WN#46): 70 points/$1 of $99.74 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, July 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 76 points/$1 of $218.51 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Saturday, July 4, 2015 (WGA fare):
7:05pm - ABQ-DAL (WN#727): 70 points/$1 of $99.44 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Sunday, July 19, 2015 (WGA fare):
2:05pm - GEG-DEN (WN#1069): 76 points/$1 of $149.67 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
3:30pm - ATL-DCA (WN#3664): 70 points/$1 of $83.63 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Tuesday, August 18, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:55am - PHL-MDW (WN#1008): 70 points/$1 of $125.49 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
Friday, September 4, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
7:50am - HOU-LAS (WN#2991): 76 points/$1 of $221.30 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
9:45am - DAL-LAS (WN#3077): 78 points/$1 of $242.70 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Monday, September 7, 2015 [Labor Day Weekend] (WGA fare):
2:15pm - LAS-HOU (WN#1957): 78 points/$1 of $284.56 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
1:50pm - LAS-DAL (WN#597): 78 points/$1 of $289.21 WGA Base Fare [found 5/6/2015]
Saturday, September 26, 2015 (WGA fare):
9:05am - MDW-SJC (WN#4522): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
*** searched again 5/7/2015;now 70 pts/$; WGA Base fare of $112.47***
Saturday, October 3, 2015 (WGA fare):
1:50pm - SJC-MDW (WN#1303): 74 points/$1 of $158.05 WGA Base Fare [found 4/17/2015]
OBSERVATIONS: no2chem has likely found the basis of the methodology WN uses to determine which ratio applies -- the applicable ratio appears to be based on the cheapest available paid WGA fare class bucket, according to the following (as of 4/17/2015):
WGA Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
nsx has verified that as of April 29, 2016 all five 70-point fare classes are 72 points per $
T = 72 pts / $
N = 72 pts / $
M = 72 pts / $
S = 72 pts / $
O = 72 pts / $
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
————
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
————
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
————
L = 80 pts / $ ($331.05/26484)
————
AT Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
BS Fare Classes = Applicable Ratio
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
However, without a subscription to Expert Flyer, it is difficult for most of us to determine the lowest paid fare class (it is shown in the emailed receipt after purchase and on the boarding pass...but, neither is too helpful). Also, KennyBSAT has found advance-purchase W fares, same-day M & S fares at 74 points/$.
Post Your POINTS PER DOLLAR (Pts/$1) Rapid Rewards Award Booking Ratios Here
Apr 17, 2015, 9:53 pm
#46
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I agree that the banter about past devaluations and the reasons/goals of WN behind the devaluation are best left in the other thread. But, I think discussion of trends seen from the data points in this thread are appropriate for this thread.
To that end, some of my own observations so far:
1) The applicable ratios used seem to be 70, [72 (??)], 74, 76, 78, & 80 points per dollar of WGA Base Fare. No ratios over 80 have been observed; however, I expect that will change over time.
2) There does seem to be a negative correlation (although, it is a bit too early to read too much into it) between the number of remaining WGA fares left on a flight and the ratio used. In other words, as WGA fares sell out and the last remaining WGA fares are expensive, the ratio used to determine award booking prices also rises.
3) Friday and Sunday flights often use higher ratios (though, not consistently always). And, mid-week (Tuesday & Wednesday) flights seem to be more likely to stay at 70 points per dollar of WGA Base Fare.
To that end, some of my own observations so far:
1) The applicable ratios used seem to be 70, [72 (??)], 74, 76, 78, & 80 points per dollar of WGA Base Fare. No ratios over 80 have been observed; however, I expect that will change over time.
2) There does seem to be a negative correlation (although, it is a bit too early to read too much into it) between the number of remaining WGA fares left on a flight and the ratio used. In other words, as WGA fares sell out and the last remaining WGA fares are expensive, the ratio used to determine award booking prices also rises.
3) Friday and Sunday flights often use higher ratios (though, not consistently always). And, mid-week (Tuesday & Wednesday) flights seem to be more likely to stay at 70 points per dollar of WGA Base Fare.
Okay, sorry all for the previous post with the incorrect data. I recomputed the cost using the base fare and arrived at some sad numbers - the following are some randomly selected fares based on fare class (not all the same route), with points/$, base fare and point cost.
T = 70 pts /$ ($52.93/3705)
N = 70 pts /$ ($77.12/5398)
M = 70 pts /$ ($147.35/10315)
S = 70 pts / $ ($93.86/6570)
O = 70 pts / $ ($180.84/12659)
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
L = 80 pts / $?
————
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
(I couldn't find the L class fare I was looking at before, I believe it is 80 pts/$). As before YL is Anytime (hence the standby requires upgrade to YL text on a WGA ticket), and K is business select.
So R class starts bumping things up to 74 pts/$, all the way to B class, with is 78 pts/$. That translates into a 5-11% bump.
Also, as I mentioned before, booking RTs (especially openjaws) is sometimes cheaper than OWs because the system actually sells round trip fares now. So everything is a lot more complex now...
T = 70 pts /$ ($52.93/3705)
N = 70 pts /$ ($77.12/5398)
M = 70 pts /$ ($147.35/10315)
S = 70 pts / $ ($93.86/6570)
O = 70 pts / $ ($180.84/12659)
————
R = 74 pts / $ ($219.92/16273)
W = 76 pts / $ ($241.30/18339)
H = 76 pts / $ ($275.72/20955)
Q = 78 pts / $ ($238.98/18640)
B = 78 pts / $ ($276.19/21543)
L = 80 pts / $?
————
YL = 100 pts /$ ($242.70/24270)
K = 120 pts/ $ ($458.41/55021)
(I couldn't find the L class fare I was looking at before, I believe it is 80 pts/$). As before YL is Anytime (hence the standby requires upgrade to YL text on a WGA ticket), and K is business select.
So R class starts bumping things up to 74 pts/$, all the way to B class, with is 78 pts/$. That translates into a 5-11% bump.
Also, as I mentioned before, booking RTs (especially openjaws) is sometimes cheaper than OWs because the system actually sells round trip fares now. So everything is a lot more complex now...
Apr 17, 2015, 10:05 pm
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I'm also really initrigued by no2chem's post. I wouldn't be surprised if it is exactly how WN implemented this. However, since fare classes are not easily determined for most of us, it's usefulness as shorthand for determining whether one should use points or pay for a flight is somewhat limited. Also, with WN's obfusctation of the fare classes within WGA, it is tough for others to continually update it and confirm the currently applicable ratios.
Apr 17, 2015, 11:18 pm
#48
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no2chem's data confirms this. What I don't understand is why Southwest refused to share this information with us up front. It would have saved a lot of worrying.
Apr 18, 2015, 12:38 am
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However the LGA-ABQ the WGA availability has changed. When that went up, the rate went up to 74 pts/dollar on the 10a LGA-MDW-ABQ flight. The others remain unchanged at 70 pts/dollar.
LGA-ABQ 6/6/15 WGA: $212, base fare $176.19
Pre 4/17: 10,315 pts (booked with a base WGA fare of $147.35 x 70 pts/dollar)
Post 4/17: 13,038 pts Booked at 74 pts/dollar.
Apr 18, 2015, 12:43 am
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However, since fare classes are not easily determined for most of us, it's usefulness as shorthand for determining whether one should use points or pay for a flight is somewhat limited. Also, with WN's obfusctation of the fare classes within WGA, it is tough for others to continually update it and confirm the currently applicable ratios.
Guess that Expertflyer subscription is a little more valuable now since you can set fare class alerts.
Apr 18, 2015, 12:58 am
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Apr 18, 2015, 7:37 am
#53
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Let me help you (wrong flight information and numbers - you added Excise Tax)....it is really:
ATL-DCA (WN#3664) 3:30pm, Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
5,854 Points required
$83.63 Base Fare ($104.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/17/2015]
See:
Base Fare $83.63
+ Excise Taxes $6.27
$89.90
+ Segment Fee $4.00
+ Passenger Facility Charge $4.50
+ Security Fee1 $5.60
Total per Passenger $104.00
x 1 Passenger(s)
Total $104.00
I fixed your post in the WIKI too.
ATL-DCA (WN#3664) 3:30pm, Tuesday, July 28, 2015 (WGA fare):
5,854 Points required
$83.63 Base Fare ($104.00 all-in fare)
70 points/$1 of WGA Base Fare
[found 4/17/2015]
See:
Base Fare $83.63
+ Excise Taxes $6.27
$89.90
+ Segment Fee $4.00
+ Passenger Facility Charge $4.50
+ Security Fee1 $5.60
Total per Passenger $104.00
x 1 Passenger(s)
Total $104.00
I fixed your post in the WIKI too.
Apr 18, 2015, 9:48 am
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Apr 18, 2015, 9:55 am
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With the exception of Anytime and Biz Select, WN never advertises or publishes fare classes. It used to be contained within the fare structure on the confirmation emails back in 2011-12, but has since gone away. It looked something like this: TUS WN LAS93.95SLN7PNR 93.95, with the fare class being S.
Guess that Expertflyer subscription is a little more valuable now since you can set fare class alerts.
Guess that Expertflyer subscription is a little more valuable now since you can set fare class alerts.
NYC WN CHI89.30SLNUHNR 89.30.
The fare class is also listed on the boarding pass...but, that's not helpful for us. I've avoided paying for EF so far...I'm hoping to still avoid it.
Apr 18, 2015, 12:48 pm
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I think it is pretty obvious why they didn't and won't share the methodology: Tomorrow or next month, etc., they can change it (whether simply increasing the rates but keeping the fare classes as the trigger for applicable rate or making a wholesale change to the methodology). They simply don't want to be bound by any statement of what they will do.
So much for being the airline that keeps things simple.
Apr 18, 2015, 1:03 pm
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I think it still is in confirmation emails...below was in a confirmation email of a paid fare I had in February of this year:
NYC WN CHI89.30SLNUHNR 89.30.
The fare class is also listed on the boarding pass...but, that's not helpful for us. I've avoided paying for EF so far...I'm hoping to still avoid it.
NYC WN CHI89.30SLNUHNR 89.30.
The fare class is also listed on the boarding pass...but, that's not helpful for us. I've avoided paying for EF so far...I'm hoping to still avoid it.
Y K L B Q H W R O M S N T
The published fares are there now, though. Here's a WN fare rule:
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Fare Routing Search:
Departing SJC on 10/03/15 for MDW
Fare basis code OLAUPNRO
Flying WN
Routing code 200
Rule Category Rule Text
RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NORMAL FARES
APPLICATION
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR COACH CLASS SERVICE.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
SEATS ARE LIMITED.
ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
SEASONALITY PERMITTED 05FEB15 THROUGH 21FEB15 OR 23FEB15 THROUGH
07MAR15 OR 09MAR15 THROUGH 12MAR15 OR 16MAR15 THROUGH
19MAR15 OR 23MAR15 THROUGH 26MAR15 OR 30MAR15 THROUGH
11APR15 OR 13APR15 THROUGH 18APR15 OR 20APR15 THROUGH
16MAY15 OR 18MAY15 THROUGH 20MAY15 OR 23MAY15 THROUGH
24MAY15 OR 26MAY15 THROUGH 30MAY15 OR 01JUN15 THROUGH
06JUN15 OR 08JUN15 THROUGH 10JUN15 OR ON 13JUN15 OR
16JUN15 THROUGH 17JUN15 OR 23JUN15 THROUGH 24JUN15 OR
29JUN15 THROUGH 01JUL15 OR 03JUL15 THROUGH 04JUL15 OR
07JUL15 THROUGH 11JUL15 OR 13JUL15 THROUGH 16JUL15 OR
20JUL15 THROUGH 22JUL15 OR 27JUL15 THROUGH 29JUL15 OR
ON 01AUG15 OR 03AUG15 THROUGH 08AUG15 OR 10AUG15
THROUGH 15AUG15 OR 17AUG15 THROUGH 22AUG15 OR 24AUG15
THROUGH 03SEP15 OR 05SEP15 THROUGH 06SEP15 OR 08SEP15
THROUGH 12SEP15 OR 14SEP15 THROUGH 19SEP15 OR 21SEP15
THROUGH 26SEP15 OR 28SEP15 THROUGH 08OCT15 OR ON
10OCT15 OR 12OCT15 THROUGH 17OCT15 OR 19OCT15 THROUGH
24OCT15 OR 26OCT15 THROUGH 01JUN16 FOR EACH TRIP.
SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.
FLIGHT APPLICATION THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE
ON NONSTOP FLIGHTS.
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE ON EACH TRIP ON EACH
TRIP.
TICKETING ON EACH TRIP MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY
AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
MINIMUM STAY NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
MAXIMUM STAY NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
STOPOVERS STOPOVERS ARE NOT PERMITTED AT INTERMEDIATE POINTS.
TRANSFERS 2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
COMBINATIONS SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS
NOT PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH WN FARES.
VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED
WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT
OF COMBINATION.
2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM 2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS.
2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
THE MOST RESTRICTIVE CONDITIONS APPLY.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER WN IN
RULE 2001/2021/2031/4825/4830/4857/8031 IN TARIFF
DFR - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES
OR RULE 8021 IN TARIFF
DR01 - WITHIN THE UNITED STATES.
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME
POINT -
BOS-MHT BOS-PVD BUR-LAX BUR-ONT BUR-SNA
BWI-WAS FLL-PBI ISP-NYC LAX-ONT LAX-SNA
MHT-PVD OAK-SFO OAK-SJC ONT-SNA SFO-SJC
BLACKOUT DATES TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 18JUN15 THROUGH 22JUN15 OR
25JUN15 THROUGH 29JUN15 OR 02JUL15 THROUGH 03JUL15 OR
05JUL15 THROUGH 06JUL15 OR 09JUL15 THROUGH 13JUL15 OR
16JUL15 THROUGH 20JUL15 OR 23JUL15 THROUGH 27JUL15 OR
30JUL15 THROUGH 03AUG15 OR 06AUG15 THROUGH 10AUG15 OR
13AUG15 THROUGH 17AUG15.
SURCHARGES NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/AFTER
10MAR15.
SALES RESTRICTIONS FARE RULE
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY WN OR Y4 AND MAY NOT BE SOLD
BY TRAVEL AGENTS.
TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY CRS/CXR DEPT RBD/QTZ.
OR - FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY WN.
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
OR - FARES MAY ONLY BE SOLD BY CRS 1S AND TRAVEL
AGENTS.
GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT
CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
PENALTIES CANCELLATIONS
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/
REFUND.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND CHARGE IS 100 PERCENT.
VOLUNTARY REFUND NOT PERMITTED.
PENALTY APPLIES TO TICKETED ITINERARIES.
IN THE EVENT OF DEATH/HOSPITALIZATION OF
PASSENGER/IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER TRAVELING OR NOT
REQUEST FOR REFUND SHOULD BE MAILED TO
SOUTHWEST REFUND DEPARTMENT.
SERVICE CHARGE MAY APPLY. DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED.
CUSTOMERS WHO PURCHASE A NONREFUNDABLE TICKET FOR
TRAVEL ON SOUTHWEST AIRLINES MAY CANCEL THEIR
RESERVATIONS/REFUND TICKET WITHOUT PENALTY WITHIN
24 HOURS OF PURCHASE.
A CUSTOMER WHO DOES NOT FLY A SEGMENT OF HIS OR
HER ITINERARY MUST NOTIFY SOUTHWEST OF
CANCELLATION OF TRAVEL OR OF ANY ALTERNATE TRAVEL
PLANS AT LEAST TEN -10- MINUTES PRIOR TO THE
ORGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT DEPARTURE TO AVOID
CANCELLATION OF REMAINING SEGMENTS. FAILURE TO
OCCUPY SPACE ON A WANNA GET AWAY SEGMENT WILL
RESULT IN FORFEITURE OF ALL REMAINING UNUSED
FUNDS OF THE TICKET. WHEN TICKET COMBINES A FULLY
REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A WANNA GET AWAY
NONREFUNDABLE FARE AND THE PASSENGER DOES NOT
TRAVEL ON THE WANNA GET AWAY SEGMENT AND HAS
NOT CANCELLED THE RESERVATION AT LEAST TEN -10-
MINUTES PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULED DEPARTURE TIME ALL
UNUSED TRAVEL FUNDS WILL BE FORFEITED.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
AFTER TICKETS ISSUED-REROUTE/FLIGHT CHANGES ARE
PERMITTED. FOR STANDBY PURPOSES REQUIRES UPGRADE
TO Y FARE. FOLLOWING PROVISIONS APPLY WHEN
PASSENGER MISSES FLIGHT ON WHICH RESERVATION WERE
HELD. A PASSENGER ARRIVING AT THE AIRPORT OF
DEPARTURE NO LATER THAN 2 HOURS AFTER SCHEDULED
DEPARTURE TIME OF THE FLIGHT SHOWN ON THE TICKET
MAY STAND BY FOR THE NEXT WN FLIGHT.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONREF/
NONTRANSFERABLE - AND - STANDBY REQ UPGRADE TO Y - IN
THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO
CHARGE.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
AGENT DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE.
GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
ANYTIME WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF WN INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE FOR REVALIDATION CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS AND CONNECTIONS/FARE
BREAKS
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
3. WN SAME FARE CLASS FARES GOVERNED BY SAME RULE
DFR IS USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA SCRIPT
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
ANYTIME WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF WN INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE CHARGE SUM OF FEES OF ALL CHANGED FARE
COMPONENTS AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
2. WN FARES ARE USED
3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM NEW TKT ISSUE DATE IF
CURRENT FARES/FROM PREVIOUS TKT ISSUE DATE IF
HISTORICAL FARES TO DEPARTURE OF FARE COMPONENT
OR -
REPRICE
A. CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN EFFECT
TODAY
B. ALL OTHERS USE CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
2. WN FARES ARE USED
3. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM NEW TKT ISSUE DATE IF
CURRENT FARES/FROM PREVIOUS TKT ISSUE DATE IF
HISTORICAL FARES TO DEPARTURE OF FARE COMPONENT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA SCRIPT
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
ANYTIME WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF WN INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
COMPONENTS AND
REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
3. CHANGE IS NO LATER THAN 2 HOURS AFTER ORIGINAL
SCHEDULED FLIGHT
4. WN FARES ARE USED
5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF FARE COMPONENT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA SCRIPT
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
.
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE.
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
.
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Fare Routing Search:
Departing SJC on 10/03/15 for MDW
Fare basis code OLAUPNRO
Flying WN
Routing code 200
V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 OLAUPNRO O X 211.40 ---- 14/1 -/ - 200
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SJC TO-CHI CXR-WN TVL-03OCT15 RULE-2031 DFR/11
FARE BASIS-OLAUPNRO SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-XPN OW-INSTANT PURCHASE NONREFUNDABLE-TYPE FARES
USD 196.65 0200 E10MAR15 D-INFINITY FC-OLAUPNRO FN-1Z
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 11MAR15/1524 EXPIRES INFINITY
PUBLISHED RTG SJC-CHI/WN200 /TAR-DRG1 EF-11MAR15 DIS-INDEF
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
1. SJC-WAS/UTM/TYS/TUS/TUL/TPA/STL/SRQ/SNA/SMF/SLC/SJC/SFO/
SEA/SDF/SAT/SAN/ROC/RNO/RIC/RDU/PWM/PVD/PNS/PIT/PHX/PHL/
PHF/PDX/PBI/ORL/ORF/ONT/OMA/OKC/OAK/NYC/MSY/MSP/MLI/MKE/
MKC/MIA/MHT/MEM/MAF/LIT/LEX/LBB/LAX/LAS/JAX/JAN/ISP/IND/
ICT/HSV/HRL/HPN/HOU/HNL/HAR/GSP/GRR/GEG/FNT/FMY/FLL/EYW/
EWR/ELP/ECP/DTT/DSM/DFW/DEN/DAY/DAL/CRW/CRP/COS/CMH/CLT/
CLE/CHS/CHI/CAK/BWI/BUR/BUF/BOS/BOI/BNA/BMI/BKG/BHM/BDL/
AVL/AUS/ATL/ANC/AMA/ALB/AIY/ABQ/ABE-CHI
.
Apr 18, 2015, 1:22 pm
#58
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I think it is pretty obvious why they didn't and won't share the methodology: Tomorrow or next month, etc., they can change it (whether simply increasing the rates but keeping the fare classes as the trigger for applicable rate or making a wholesale change to the methodology). They simply don't want to be bound by any statement of what they will do.
Apr 18, 2015, 2:02 pm
#59
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