Guy kicked off WN DAL-MDW flight for wearing shirt with 4-letter word
Mar 25, 2015, 11:42 am
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The much larger error was all of the commotion and refusal to comply with requests from the airline. This is what I just don't have any patience with anymore. If I'm running a business and my employees work with a customer to arrange for a reasonable solution and that customer makes it miserable for all involved and wastes a lot of our time all for naught -- I'm inclined to ask him to not come back to my business.
Mar 27, 2015, 3:28 pm
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Totally agree, WN has every right to refuse service for any reason. This isn't a free speech issue.
BUT...I think the is idiocy here is people being offend by it. Build a bridge and get over it. Sure, if you wear a shirt like this I automatically assume you have the intelligence and morals of a vacuum cleaner, but beyond that it doesn't bother me one bit. As far as having to explain it to children, "That guy is an idiot" should do just fine.
This is murica people! As long as Im not harming myself or others I can say and do whatever I want, I might get kicked out of a couple airplanes and restaurants but really people put the pitchforks away.
BUT...I think the is idiocy here is people being offend by it. Build a bridge and get over it. Sure, if you wear a shirt like this I automatically assume you have the intelligence and morals of a vacuum cleaner, but beyond that it doesn't bother me one bit. As far as having to explain it to children, "That guy is an idiot" should do just fine.
This is murica people! As long as Im not harming myself or others I can say and do whatever I want, I might get kicked out of a couple airplanes and restaurants but really people put the pitchforks away.
Mar 27, 2015, 3:59 pm
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Totally agree, WN has every right to refuse service for any reason. This isn't a free speech issue.
BUT...I think the is idiocy here is people being offend by it. Build a bridge and get over it. Sure, if you wear a shirt like this I automatically assume you have the intelligence and morals of a vacuum cleaner, but beyond that it doesn't bother me one bit. As far as having to explain it to children, "That guy is an idiot" should do just fine.
This is murica people! As long as Im not harming myself or others I can say and do whatever I want, I might get kicked out of a couple airplanes and restaurants but really people put the pitchforks away.
BUT...I think the is idiocy here is people being offend by it. Build a bridge and get over it. Sure, if you wear a shirt like this I automatically assume you have the intelligence and morals of a vacuum cleaner, but beyond that it doesn't bother me one bit. As far as having to explain it to children, "That guy is an idiot" should do just fine.
This is murica people! As long as Im not harming myself or others I can say and do whatever I want, I might get kicked out of a couple airplanes and restaurants but really people put the pitchforks away.
The guy may be rude and not too bright, but once you start empowering people to mess with people somewhat arbitrarily, you will get a country you don't like very much.
Mar 27, 2015, 4:23 pm
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I actually tend to agree, it is a slippery slope, whose to say whats offensive. And its not like all private businesses have the right to refuse service, private ambulance companies for instance couldn't refuse to treat someone for wearing a stupid t-shirt. Obviously there is the long-standing legal idea of "Duty to Act". But do airline companies have a "Duty to Transport" once you buy a ticket? Probably not.
Mar 27, 2015, 4:42 pm
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What if you had bought a ticket and they asked you to take off your American flag T, your Jesus Allah Jewish star T, your Ron Paul t or your Hillary T?
The guy may be rude and not too bright, but once you start empowering people to mess with people somewhat arbitrarily, you will get a country you don't like very much.
The guy may be rude and not too bright, but once you start empowering people to mess with people somewhat arbitrarily, you will get a country you don't like very much.
I bet I can design and print any number of tee shirts even you would find offensive and unacceptable. WN employees should not have the power to kick people with those shirts off the plane?
Mar 27, 2015, 4:57 pm
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I don't think that's correct. Time/place/manner restrictions must be content neutral. This is specifically a content restriction, so if done by a government entity it would likely be unconstitutional.
Mar 27, 2015, 5:10 pm
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The guy is a d-bag. He just wanted something to put on youtube and take to the local news. He was politely asked to change shirts or turn it inside out. Refused. End of story.
Years ago, I worked at Disney Animation. We did a short film called "Runaway Brain". The entire crew received t-shirts with a drawing of the main character (Mickey Mouse) and the title of the film on it. A friend wore his to Disneyland and was asked by security to turn the t-shirt inside out because of the offensive depiction of Mickey Mouse. He explained to the security guard that it was a Disney film. Security didn't believe him and asked once again to turn it inside or leave. My friend turned his shirt inside out. No harm, no foul and he had a funny story to tell on Monday when he got back to work.
Years ago, I worked at Disney Animation. We did a short film called "Runaway Brain". The entire crew received t-shirts with a drawing of the main character (Mickey Mouse) and the title of the film on it. A friend wore his to Disneyland and was asked by security to turn the t-shirt inside out because of the offensive depiction of Mickey Mouse. He explained to the security guard that it was a Disney film. Security didn't believe him and asked once again to turn it inside or leave. My friend turned his shirt inside out. No harm, no foul and he had a funny story to tell on Monday when he got back to work.
Mar 27, 2015, 10:22 pm
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The guy is a d-bag. He just wanted something to put on youtube and take to the local news. He was politely asked to change shirts or turn it inside out. Refused. End of story.
Years ago, I worked at Disney Animation. We did a short film called "Runaway Brain". The entire crew received t-shirts with a drawing of the main character (Mickey Mouse) and the title of the film on it. A friend wore his to Disneyland and was asked by security to turn the t-shirt inside out because of the offensive depiction of Mickey Mouse. He explained to the security guard that it was a Disney film. Security didn't believe him and asked once again to turn it inside or leave. My friend turned his shirt inside out. No harm, no foul and he had a funny story to tell on Monday when he got back to work.
Years ago, I worked at Disney Animation. We did a short film called "Runaway Brain". The entire crew received t-shirts with a drawing of the main character (Mickey Mouse) and the title of the film on it. A friend wore his to Disneyland and was asked by security to turn the t-shirt inside out because of the offensive depiction of Mickey Mouse. He explained to the security guard that it was a Disney film. Security didn't believe him and asked once again to turn it inside or leave. My friend turned his shirt inside out. No harm, no foul and he had a funny story to tell on Monday when he got back to work.
Sometimes it does, one needs to find the right balance.
I might have done the same as your friend. ^
Mar 27, 2015, 11:18 pm
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The airline did not honour a ticket of a passenger who was not unruly, did not incite sedition or unrest, displayed no hate speech, and incentivised no disruptive actions. Under such circumstances, 'offensive' is just code speak for "I don't like you, get lost!".
Mar 27, 2015, 11:35 pm
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Mar 28, 2015, 9:40 am
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I think airlines should have the right to deny anyone transport their employees find to be no match. Be it for the wrong height, weight, gender, age, or costume ... they should jus be fully liable for doing so.
The airline did not honour a ticket of a passenger who was not unruly, did not incite sedition or unrest, displayed no hate speech, and incentivised no disruptive actions. Under such circumstances, 'offensive' is just code speak for "I don't like you, get lost!".
The airline did not honour a ticket of a passenger who was not unruly, did not incite sedition or unrest, displayed no hate speech, and incentivised no disruptive actions. Under such circumstances, 'offensive' is just code speak for "I don't like you, get lost!".
Mar 28, 2015, 10:22 am
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Given the videos this clown shot and quickly shipped off to a TV station, I have to wonder if this whole thing was staged. Perhaps I'm just out of date, but it is not my first reaction to start recording everything in the day that goes wrong. It reminds me of the Hooters waitress who retained a lawyer right after she was escorted off a SAN-LAS flight a few years ago for being underclad.