Originally Posted by djp98374
(Post 22202472)
Hawaii and Key west are apples and oranges.
Key west is a place where some people love it and others hate it. In the SE you also have FLL, TPA, MCO, etc... With Hawaii you do has business traffic from the Pacific coast cities so you will get enough of a mix.With Keywest you have the alternate of flying into MIA/FLL and drive...cant do that with hawaii. So, the very small percentage of business travelers in no way justifies starting a route to Hawai'i. In fact, I suggest listening to the transcript from the earnings call. Gary says Hawai'i sevice may come "some day". |
I'm pretty bummed about them leaving EYW. I said so on their Facebook page also.
And while I agree with those of you who say under Her they would have never been there to begin with but the point is they were. And it was a celebration that they went to Key West. Not sure how I will make my next trip there. I so much more prefer the feeling of landing in Key West. The door opens and I usually yell, SEIZE THE ROCK! Driving there doesn't give me the same rush. and wasn't the new airport built in fact to some point to accommodate them? Not the end of the world by any means but I will think twice about Delta into EYW on my next trip. |
Does anyone know when SW officially leaves Key West? My wife and I were planning on flying down there in May on SWA.
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Originally Posted by bmrisko
(Post 22261198)
Does anyone know when SW officially leaves Key West? My wife and I were planning on flying down there in May on SWA.
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it was mentioned in some press release that one of the main reasons they were killing these routes was limited flights and having to maintain gate, baggage, and ground crew for only 3 flights a day....I don't see why they don't just do a seasonal run and increase to 6 flights a day to justify operating expenses at the facilities.
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Originally Posted by wise2u
(Post 22274467)
it was mentioned in some press release that one of the main reasons they were killing these routes was limited flights and having to maintain gate, baggage, and ground crew for only 3 flights a day....I don't see why they don't just do a seasonal run and increase to 6 flights a day to justify operating expenses at the facilities.
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Don't leave Key West
Key West has got to have more festivals than any other town in America and because there are SO many bars with entertainment every day of the year and SO many people go there several times a year…this has got to be a great place for a destination. Because Southwest respects musicians and their very precious guitars--this is THE only airline for so many musicians. With the festivals, musicians and enormous traffic, why are you leaving Key West? I just don't buy that this is not economically feasible. Please re-consider. IF we have to switch to another airline for Key West, we will switch for the other destinations also. We want to stick with 1 airline for everything. BOOOOOO….
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Originally Posted by CityGirl2
(Post 22278114)
I just don't buy that this is not economically feasible. Please re-consider.
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Originally Posted by CityGirl2
(Post 22278114)
Key West has got to have more festivals than any other town in America and because there are SO many bars with entertainment every day of the year and SO many people go there several times a year…this has got to be a great place for a destination. Because Southwest respects musicians and their very precious guitars--this is THE only airline for so many musicians. With the festivals, musicians and enormous traffic, why are you leaving Key West? I just don't buy that this is not economically feasible. Please re-consider. IF we have to switch to another airline for Key West, we will switch for the other destinations also. We want to stick with 1 airline for everything. BOOOOOO….
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I would suspect the main driver for dumping EYW is the fact that outbound flights are weight restricted and this limits where the 737 can fly to and with how many passengers. I want to say outbound can be limited to 100 pax from what I've heard from people, which means 43 empty seats right away.
If Key West wants more pax service then a plan needs to be put in motion to determine if they can turn NAS Key West into a joint use field. A 10,000' runway would eliminate the issues of weight restrictions. |
Originally Posted by flyventure
(Post 22279766)
I would suspect the main driver for dumping EYW is the fact that outbound flights are weight restricted and this limits where the 737 can fly to and with how many passengers. I want to say outbound can be limited to 100 pax from what I've heard from people, which means 43 empty seats right away.
Flew in / out last March and there was 143 pax each way. |
Originally Posted by joshua362
(Post 22280322)
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Flew in / out last March and there was 143 pax each way. |
Originally Posted by flyventure
(Post 22280394)
Hence why I said "CAN BE" limited. They can't go very far with a full load of people and baggage. EYW would do much better if it could be served from BWI, HOU, and ATL.
Then again, out of ISP, I'm used to having to connect to everywhere. Sometimes twice. |
Originally Posted by formeraa
(Post 22214985)
Sorry, but I've done this analysis before. The "business" traffic to/from Hawai'i is very, very small compared to the leisure travel to/from Hawai'i (mainly mainland visitors, but also Hawai'i residents vacationing). So, the very small percentage of business travelers in no way justifies starting a route to Hawai'i. In fact, I suggest listening to the transcript from the earnings call. Gary says Hawai'i sevice may come "some day". (Hint: because there's money to be made.) The only Hawaiian destination with significant business travel, though, is Honolulu (HNL), not just B2B travel but also business travelers heading to Honolulu for business conventions. Hawaii is also a popular destination for corporate retreats of west coast based companies. Again, if service to Hawaii wasn't so profitable, there would be a lot fewer airlines serving the Islands from the mainland. Key West though is an apple to oranges comparison in regards to service to Honolulu. The leisure/business ratio of passengers flying to Honolulu is more comparable to the leisure/business ratio of passengers flying to Las Vegas (another destination that's well served by many airlines) than Key West, which is almost exclusively leisure travelers. |
The problem with Hawaii for WN as I see it is that points-travelers will mostly fill every flight before very many cash customers can buy tickets.
The legacies can throttle availability however they want. WN's points~cash system won't allow that. Think how many people would convert Ultimate Reward points for Hawaii. A couple big bloggers promote that and there would be an avalanche. It's a real problem for cash-like loyalty programs, especially for WN with no cancellation penalty, one I doubt they fully understood, and why I think 2.0 may not be permanent in present form. Of course, they could always disallow points usage for specific routes. |
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