Nose gear collapse on landing at LGA

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Old Jul 27, 13, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by joshua362 View Post
Paranoid about it being traced back to him/her? Perhaps the phone being on is the real culprit that caused the incident.
More likely the video has been sold to a news outlet.
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Old Jul 28, 13, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by ursine1 View Post
More likely the video has been sold to a news outlet.
Touché. Although it has be to really old news at this point. Perhaps for some overzealous litigation purposes?
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Old Jul 28, 13, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by joshua362 View Post
Touché. Although it has be to really old news at this point. Perhaps for some overzealous litigation purposes?
Probably this. Passenger(s) talked to a law firm and were told to remove any posts/videos/pics.
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Old Jul 28, 13, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by eyeballer View Post
Probably this. Passenger(s) talked to a law firm and were told to remove any posts/videos/pics.
Agreed, very likely.
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Old Jul 28, 13, 12:43 pm
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Originally Posted by texashoser View Post
Even with the data released showing the last 10 degrees of flaps getting deployed...
A minor quibble, but FYI, Boeing uses a different naming convention for flap settings on their aircraft, and they are identified as "positions" that do not necessarily correspond to actual degrees, i.e. flaps position 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 25, 30, and 40, with the larger positions being used for landing. Other aircraft manufacturers (McD for one) use degrees, and although I'm really non-current in McD types (like 30+ years), IIRC a full flaps for landing on a DC-9 or DC-10 was something like 66 degrees, and was referred to as such.
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Old Jul 28, 13, 1:31 pm
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Originally Posted by OPNLguy View Post
A minor quibble, but FYI, Boeing uses a different naming convention for flap settings on their aircraft, and they are identified as "positions" that do not necessarily correspond to actual degrees, i.e. flaps position 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 25, 30, and 40, with the larger positions being used for landing. Other aircraft manufacturers (McD for one) use degrees, and although I'm really non-current in McD types (like 30+ years), IIRC a full flaps for landing on a DC-9 or DC-10 was something like 66 degrees, and was referred to as such.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old Jul 28, 13, 7:37 pm
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Here is a blog post from a software developer who was on the flight with his family. Should we even be surprised these days that even in situation like this, somebody played sticky fingers with his laptop?

http://nickbradbury.com/2013/07/28/t...southwest-345/
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Old Jul 28, 13, 7:47 pm
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Originally Posted by eyeballer View Post
Probably this. Passenger(s) talked to a law firm and were told to remove any posts/videos/pics.
Its here:

http://gawker.com/terrifying-video-f...sh-l-927263267
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Old Jul 29, 13, 9:33 am
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First hand account of PAX on flight, and video I came across. Says items stolen from luggage left onboard-
http://nickbradbury.com/2013/07/28/t...southwest-345/
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Old Jul 29, 13, 10:34 am
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A minor issue, but getting back to the how the thread started and after watching the video, I would certainly classify this as a crash landing. When the plane lands uncontrollably, touching down with the nose gear first in a violent collision that forces the land gear up into wheel bay, and then skids down the runway in a shower of sparks, that's a crash landing vs. a mechanical malfunction (like stuck landing gear) which the pilots can prepare themselves and the passengers for and land in a controlled fashion. Even if the gear had collapsed as a result of a normal touchdown, that wouldn't have been pilot error. When a pilot loses control of an aircraft and slams it into the ground (whether directly pilot error or some extreme weather event), that's a crash.

Of course, as all pilots say, "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!"
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Old Aug 7, 13, 12:47 pm
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Huffy post (IMHO just above a tabloid in terms of reporting) reported the captain took control of the plane just 400 feet short of the runway.

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NEW YORK -- The captain of a Southwest Airlines plane that landed on a collapsing nose gear at LaGuardia Airport took control from the first officer just 400 feet from the ground, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3716700.html
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Old Aug 7, 13, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzzie View Post
Huffy post (IMHO just above a tabloid in terms of reporting) reported the captain took control of the plane just 400 feet short of the runway.

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NEW YORK -- The captain of a Southwest Airlines plane that landed on a collapsing nose gear at LaGuardia Airport took control from the first officer just 400 feet from the ground, the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3716700.html
Yeah, I read that yesterday. The frustrating thing, in terms of getting information, is that the NTSB already knows why the captain took over and what the captain did in terms of piloting the aircraft. They've already interviewed both pilots, reviewed the CVR (cockpit voice recorder), and FDR (flight data recorder). Either this was a simple case of pilot error (on possibly both pilots' parts), a downburst which forced the nose of the aircraft down, or least likely, a control mechanism failure where the control surfaces didn't respond properly to the input of the pilot (which might have explained why the captain took over from the first officer).

Typically, taking over the aircraft at 400 feet, which is about a mile from the runway, shouldn't be a problem for a pilot with a lot of time in that particular aircraft.
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Old Aug 7, 13, 1:38 pm
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just 400 feet short of the runway
It was 400 feet short of the runway not 400 feet high.
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Old Aug 7, 13, 1:46 pm
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Here is the quote from the NTSB release:

"SWA 345 proceeded on the approach when at a point below 400 feet, there was an exchange of control of the airplane and the captain became the flying pilot and made the landing."

From this we do not know at what altitude the captain became the flying pilot, nor do we know who initiated the change in control. To me it is clear that they should have executed a missed approach and gone around. I have been through several at LaGarbage usually due to the preceding aircraft not clearing the active.
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Old Aug 7, 13, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by rsteinmetz70112 View Post
It was 400 feet short of the runway not 400 feet high.
What source did you get that quote from?
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