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Old Dec 3, 2021, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Bluesman62
As long as some people continue behaving in planes like they're at a backyard BBQ I'd give the return of alcohol about 100:1.
So - here is the problem - people are dinking in the airport instead - and drinking more than they would drink on the plane.

AND - the biggest factor that gets people twisted out of shape is the mask mandate. If airplanes are supposedly so safe, get rid of that mandate. (we have our shots and wear masks with a fight)
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Old Dec 3, 2021, 2:17 pm
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we have our shots and wear masks with a fight
Hence WN not wanting to restart booze while behavior like this continues. SMH.
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Old Dec 3, 2021, 4:11 pm
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Anybody notice how many of these "incidents" start before the plane even leaves the ground?
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Old Dec 3, 2021, 6:50 pm
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Originally Posted by NoStressHere

AND - the biggest factor that gets people twisted out of shape is the mask mandate. If airplanes are supposedly so safe, get rid of that mandate.
That study the airlines like to reference said that airplanes are "safe" when masks are worn.

The mask mandate was just extended through mid-March.
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Old Dec 4, 2021, 2:55 am
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Originally Posted by ursine1
That study the airlines like to reference said that airplanes are "safe" when masks are worn.

The mask mandate was just extended through mid-March.
Have there been any studies without masks? The point is useless if there's no control.
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Old Dec 4, 2021, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by m907
Have there been any studies without masks? The point is useless if there's no control.
The simulations and studies are mostly from 2020. None obviously, Delta-specific. "Experimental aerosol dispersion" has countless factors.
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Old Dec 5, 2021, 4:56 am
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Originally Posted by LegalTender
The simulations and studies are mostly from 2020. None obviously, Delta-specific. "Experimental aerosol dispersion" has countless factors.
That's not what I asked. Are there any studies that show transmission rates with masked passengers vs. unmasked passengers? You need the latter as a control group; otherwise the study is worthless in proving the efficacy of masks.
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Old Dec 8, 2021, 7:45 am
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Originally Posted by m907
That's not what I asked. Are there any studies that show transmission rates with masked passengers vs. unmasked passengers? You need the latter as a control group; otherwise the study is worthless in proving the efficacy of masks.
There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that masks are effective to at least some degree. Since there are no costs or side effects of wearing a mask, I don't need the scientific rigors of a drug trial to accept that wearing a mask in a crowded indoor setting is a reasonable risk mitigation technique.
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Old Dec 8, 2021, 7:47 am
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I'm just worried that we'll never be rid of the damn things
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Old Dec 8, 2021, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by kennycrudup
I'm just worried that we'll never be rid of the damn things
That has been obvious to me since April 2020. There will always be someone "at risk" who we must trip over ourselves to "protect."
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Old Dec 9, 2021, 12:53 am
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Originally Posted by pinniped
There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that masks are effective to at least some degree. Since there are no costs or side effects of wearing a mask, I don't need the scientific rigors of a drug trial to accept that wearing a mask in a crowded indoor setting is a reasonable risk mitigation technique.
There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that masks actually spread bacteria and illnesses because nobody uses them properly and they require you to touch your face frequently. There are unknown harms to childhood development. Nearly all are made in Chinese sweatshops and discarded masks are polluting waterways. It's silly to pretend that there are no ill effects, or that circumstantial evidence that they might work in a lab setting justifies them at this point.
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Old Dec 11, 2021, 12:35 am
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Originally Posted by m907
There's a mountain of circumstantial evidence that masks actually spread bacteria and illnesses because nobody uses them properly and they require you to touch your face frequently. There are unknown harms to childhood development. Nearly all are made in Chinese sweatshops and discarded masks are polluting waterways. It's silly to pretend that there are no ill effects, or that circumstantial evidence that they might work in a lab setting justifies them at this point.
An uncomfortably high percentage of people use antibiotics wrongly. This leads to 'superbacteria' and unacceptable levels of antibiotics in our water. Guess that means we shouldn't use the best defense we've ever found against bacterial infections anymore?
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Old Dec 11, 2021, 3:33 am
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An uncomfortably high percentage of people use antibiotics wrongly. This leads to 'superbacteria' and unacceptable levels of antibiotics in our water. Guess that means we shouldn't use the best defense we've ever found against bacterial infections anymore?
They should be used in appropriate contexts and not overused, much like masks should be used only when appropriate in surgical procedures to protect against blood and other bodily fluids (where they work) rather than on everyone, everywhere (where they don't).
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Old Dec 12, 2021, 9:40 pm
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Originally Posted by synergistic
An uncomfortably high percentage of people use antibiotics wrongly. This leads to 'superbacteria' and unacceptable levels of antibiotics in our water. Guess that means we shouldn't use the best defense we've ever found against bacterial infections anymore?
That's why an antibiotic mandate would be stupid, as is a mask mandate. What actually works is the vaccine.
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