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Mar 19, 2021, 11:49 am
#1592
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Mar 19, 2021, 12:01 pm
#1593
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For example - a passenger who gets the flu on the last few days of a vacation. They must travel home so wearing a mask sure beats not wearing one for the ill passenger. That's the point.
Mar 19, 2021, 12:04 pm
#1594
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Again, not traveling beats the mask, which does little more than provide a false sense of security.
Mar 19, 2021, 12:09 pm
#1595
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Again...if you MUST (as in there is no other option) wearing a mask is better than not wearing one. Even your comment acknowledges that by it doing "little". Little is better than nothing.
Mar 19, 2021, 12:34 pm
#1596
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Covering your mouth when you sneeze has long been accepted as a good measure to avoid spreading germs. Using a mask to limit what comes out of your mouth into the air around you is better than NOTHING. So, if the person is going to travel no matter what, would you prefer they not wear a mask?
Mar 19, 2021, 12:45 pm
#1597
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Just like there is a continuum of what constitutes "essential" travel, there is a continuum of "sick". Masks have been scientifically proven dozens of times over at this point to be beneficial in slowing the spread of airborne viruses, with the degree of benefit ranging depending on the specific masks and other parameters of the study. Therefore, if a new standard is that you put on a standard disposable mask when you're *kinda* sick but still traveling, fewer people will get the typical colds and flus that commonly spread on airplanes, not to mention whatever this particular coronavirus ends up being on a long-term basis.
In many regions of the U.S., the mask wearing to prevent covid has also led to very low caseloads for flu. This is true even in areas where kids are in school in person. (Schools being a common annual hotbed for flu.) Nobody should believe a mask makes them impervious to all viruses, but they do slow the spread and are basically free, effortless risk mitigation.
In many regions of the U.S., the mask wearing to prevent covid has also led to very low caseloads for flu. This is true even in areas where kids are in school in person. (Schools being a common annual hotbed for flu.) Nobody should believe a mask makes them impervious to all viruses, but they do slow the spread and are basically free, effortless risk mitigation.
Mar 19, 2021, 3:07 pm
#1598
Join Date: Oct 2016
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Though most everyone would agree with this statement, reality is another story. Not going to argue what situation means a person "must" travel, but it happens. People will travel. Period.
Covering your mouth when you sneeze has long been accepted as a good measure to avoid spreading germs. Using a mask to limit what comes out of your mouth into the air around you is better than NOTHING. So, if the person is going to travel no matter what, would you prefer they not wear a mask?
Covering your mouth when you sneeze has long been accepted as a good measure to avoid spreading germs. Using a mask to limit what comes out of your mouth into the air around you is better than NOTHING. So, if the person is going to travel no matter what, would you prefer they not wear a mask?
If you tell people they can wear a mask if they're sick but must travel, you're not just going to get the people who "must travel". You're going to get a whole bunch of sick people traveling when they don't need to because they think masks are guaranteed safety.
Just like there is a continuum of what constitutes "essential" travel, there is a continuum of "sick". Masks have been scientifically proven dozens of times over at this point to be beneficial in slowing the spread of airborne viruses, with the degree of benefit ranging depending on the specific masks and other parameters of the study. Therefore, if a new standard is that you put on a standard disposable mask when you're *kinda* sick but still traveling, fewer people will get the typical colds and flus that commonly spread on airplanes, not to mention whatever this particular coronavirus ends up being on a long-term basis.
In many regions of the U.S., the mask wearing to prevent covid has also led to very low caseloads for flu. This is true even in areas where kids are in school in person. (Schools being a common annual hotbed for flu.) Nobody should believe a mask makes them impervious to all viruses, but they do slow the spread and are basically free, effortless risk mitigation.
In many regions of the U.S., the mask wearing to prevent covid has also led to very low caseloads for flu. This is true even in areas where kids are in school in person. (Schools being a common annual hotbed for flu.) Nobody should believe a mask makes them impervious to all viruses, but they do slow the spread and are basically free, effortless risk mitigation.
Mar 19, 2021, 3:41 pm
#1599
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Masks make people feel safe but they do nothing. Fauci himself said in March 2020 that he didn't want people wearing masks because they provide almost no benefit but make people feel safe. He changed his tone when he realized masks could become a route to increased political power.
If you tell people they can wear a mask if they're sick but must travel, you're not just going to get the people who "must travel". You're going to get a whole bunch of sick people traveling when they don't need to because they think masks are guaranteed safety.
Where is the evidence that masks specifically have prevented the flu? The low caseloads are due at least in part to low testing. Anyone who feels sick these days gets tested for the coronavirus. They don't administer a flu test after that.
If you tell people they can wear a mask if they're sick but must travel, you're not just going to get the people who "must travel". You're going to get a whole bunch of sick people traveling when they don't need to because they think masks are guaranteed safety.
Where is the evidence that masks specifically have prevented the flu? The low caseloads are due at least in part to low testing. Anyone who feels sick these days gets tested for the coronavirus. They don't administer a flu test after that.
Mar 20, 2021, 3:45 am
#1601
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Every day I spend in the real world just keeps reminding me how much of a bubble FT (and its apparently higher-than-average aged and/or unhealthy demographic) is. Any place I start talking to people- especially in FL with all these open bars, restaurants, clubs and events- we're all swapping Covid stories. Even the plethora of Tri-State area snowbirds at my FL hotel stop masking after a couple of days.
Mar 20, 2021, 6:45 pm
#1602
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Every day I spend in the real world just keeps reminding me how much of a bubble FT (and its apparently higher-than-average aged and/or unhealthy demographic) is. Any place I start talking to people- especially in FL with all these open bars, restaurants, clubs and events- we're all swapping Covid stories. Even the plethora of Tri-State area snowbirds at my FL hotel stop masking after a couple of days.
And if I am not mistaken, FL has a higher proportion of vulnerable elderly people.
Compare the rates of infection. Quite instructive if you are honestly seeking the truth here.
Mar 20, 2021, 8:59 pm
#1603
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Why Do California and Florida Have Similar COVID-19 Case Rates?
Mar 21, 2021, 10:32 am
#1604
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... and you're right, FL is God's Waiting Room, and yet many of those maskless, close patrons are > 65 easily. I guess they don't read Flyertalk
Mar 26, 2021, 6:17 am
#1605
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Unsurprisingly, neither of you actually responded to any of my points. You just called me a bad and/or dumb person. That's the epitome of the pseudoscientific coronavirus fear theology.